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00:00:00.00 Taylor Kruse something for a second tony
00:00:00.95 Tony Fowler Check one two. Hey hey hey. Check one two one two
00:00:05.38 Taylor Kruse All right cool I got you where I want you for volume.
00:00:09.51 Tony Fowler Look at you. Look at you.
00:00:11.20 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:00:12.97 Tony Fowler Applied neurology coach. And audio extraordinaire.
00:00:22.27 Taylor Kruse All right man I'm good to go when you are.
00:00:24.40 Tony Fowler Cool. We're rolling.
00:00:27.02 Taylor Kruse Welcome back to the Cruise Elite Podcast. Hey Tony.
00:00:30.20 Tony Fowler Good morning Taylor
00:00:31.93 Taylor Kruse What's happening?
00:00:31.94 Tony Fowler What's up man? So... for our weekly juggling content.
00:00:38.05 Taylor Kruse Yep.
00:00:39.23 Tony Fowler I think I'm getting the hang of this thing. Some days are better than others but... I'm like pretty consistently. Getting like in the teens. ah my My PR is like 37.
00:00:49.08 Taylor Kruse Nice.
00:00:52.28 Tony Fowler throws and catches in a row. with three three bean bags
00:00:56.35 Taylor Kruse Yep.
00:00:57.14 Tony Fowler So I'm wondering... If it's time to try to do four.
00:01:01.54 Taylor Kruse Oh my gosh. i i four I just... I threw in the towel. at
00:01:05.75 Tony Fowler You gave up. You gave up after that.
00:01:06.57 Taylor Kruse Yeah yeah. Yeah. I wish I had kept going and I just. I don't know I... I got to a point where three was feeling comfortable and now it's sort of like riding a bike.
00:01:16.63 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:01:18.10 Taylor Kruse Like every time I go back to it I'm. I'm not worse at all.
00:01:22.45 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:01:22.34 Taylor Kruse Um I just kind of am able to maintain the skill but yeah. I wish I had continued. But... I don't know there's so much to do. there's so many
00:01:31.61 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:01:33.49 Taylor Kruse There's so many skills and things and and I get bored and I want to try something different and
00:01:39.27 Tony Fowler We're similar in that way
00:01:39.47 Taylor Kruse But yeah it... And I want to hear about this if you... Take the journey to. to four.
00:01:45.25 Tony Fowler Well I don't even know. i don't even I just kind of assumed that was what I was supposed to do.
00:01:49.58 Taylor Kruse Hmm.
00:01:49.61 Tony Fowler But I almost feel like I almost feel like you where I'm like.
00:01:50.91 Taylor Kruse All right. well
00:01:52.76 Tony Fowler Ah. I can move on
00:01:53.37 Taylor Kruse Well I'll tell you. ah Yeah I'll tell you what I i generally do. with athletes and stuff when I'm. teaching them to juggle as soon as they get comfortable with Three balls.
00:02:04.06 Taylor Kruse I'll have them. Learn how to do that. comfortably walking forwards and backwards. Yeah so kind of adding locomotion to the mix and then a really fun one that I still do myself when I Sometimes I just throw juggling into like my warmup.
00:02:19.02 Taylor Kruse And I once I get comfortable with the juggling the coordination comes back. i Juggle. And I get down on the floor. So like I go standing. to seeded. Back to standing.
00:02:32.21 Taylor Kruse while juggling.
00:02:33.22 Tony Fowler That's dope.
00:02:34.23 Taylor Kruse And that's a fun one. And it's cool.
00:02:35.92 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:02:36.18 Taylor Kruse You can you can mark progress so easily right? um yeah so maybe trying some some stuff like that like just basic walking forwards backwards.
00:02:46.36 Taylor Kruse And then. Yeah standing. Seated back to standing.
00:02:51.30 Tony Fowler Would ah like a nice-between be like taking a knee?
00:02:55.90 Taylor Kruse Yeah. Absolutely.
00:02:56.66 Tony Fowler And then...
00:02:57.41 Taylor Kruse Exactly. Yeah you go down to like half kneel.
00:02:58.43 Tony Fowler Yeah. Uh huh.
00:03:00.69 Taylor Kruse Yeah. Go down to... you know kneeling on both Go down to low kneeling. Go down to low half kneeling. Yeah.
00:03:07.69 Tony Fowler You're a wild man.
00:03:09.01 Taylor Kruse Yeah it's fun. in it And it's awesome. ah Honestly it's not that hard once you really... Get. the coordination of juggling and it's not It's not like a fight to get.
00:03:21.63 Taylor Kruse 13 tosses or something. You know what I mean?
00:03:24.18 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:03:24.26 Taylor Kruse Like every time you do it you you're able to juggle for a minute or something very comfortably then... then you'll be able to do something like that.
00:03:33.66 Tony Fowler Yeah a couple of things I did I noticed I was um... you know kind of. When things would start getting shaky I would start throwing in bad places like i would start throwing more and more forward for example
00:03:46.39 Taylor Kruse Sure. Sure.
00:03:47.92 Tony Fowler And so I realized standing in front of a wall. was actually really helpful for me because it just kind of like forced me to
00:03:51.12 Taylor Kruse Yeah nice.
00:03:54.39 Tony Fowler Throw straight up.
00:03:55.56 Taylor Kruse Yep.
00:03:56.15 Tony Fowler Um and then the other thing is you know i've been doing this down in the basement and the ceilings are very low.
00:04:02.66 Taylor Kruse oh
00:04:03.61 Tony Fowler And so I took the beanbags upstairs where I have taller ceilings. And that was actually really helpful because then I could have a little more time.
00:04:11.29 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:04:11.63 Tony Fowler I wouldn't have to be quiet as controlled with the throw.
00:04:14.81 Taylor Kruse Yeah that makes sense.
00:04:15.07 Tony Fowler Um and so then when i came back downstairs it was like okay now i have the muscle memory So it's it's working for me.
00:04:21.88 Taylor Kruse Yeah and just I just thought about juggling on one leg.
00:04:21.92 Tony Fowler um
00:04:25.05 Taylor Kruse That's always a good...
00:04:26.43 Tony Fowler I have tried that already.
00:04:26.56 Taylor Kruse you know
00:04:27.72 Tony Fowler Yep.
00:04:27.94 Taylor Kruse Yeah nice. Nice. That's a good way to go too. When you. you know when you get comfortable. and You get a lot of good single leg work out of that.
00:04:36.07 Tony Fowler Hmm. Yeah it's been super fun it's been super fun. What's up with you?
00:04:41.40 Taylor Kruse Um... been Been busy just kind of... Bouncing around trying to I think we talked about this last time. just crammed in a bunch of fun stuff. I had mentioned going camping. We came back from camping then Before just before our last episode together we went up north and we have an old neighbor of ours that has a cabin.
00:05:02.69 Taylor Kruse Beautiful setting. It's on a pond in the in the North country. we They gave us an invitation to go use it. So... Our family went up there. We were there for like it was kind of a short.
00:05:15.64 Taylor Kruse A short goes. I got done with the podcast with you and then. um We had a couple other things to take care of. Jumped in the car that afternoon drove up. State Saturday.
00:05:26.36 Taylor Kruse We had Friday night and we had Saturday Sunday. We came home Monday morning But it was it was a good time. you know We had nice weather during the weekend. I got some fly fishing in which was great early in the mornings. And then I got some fishing in with my daughter.
00:05:40.10 Taylor Kruse My daughter who's five. kind of all of a sudden really took ah a stronger interest into fly fishing.
00:05:47.35 Tony Fowler Oh. Cool.
00:05:47.100 Taylor Kruse Which was really neat and she had this like big breakthrough And it was it was perfect timing because there's a local... what they call a kid's pond. in the center of town where we were it's a really small town and up north. and They had done a fishing derby there recently with the kids so they had stocked it with trout.
00:06:08.48 Taylor Kruse All right. And so anytime that happens you know it's it's perfect for kids to have a good fishing experience where there's like action.
00:06:12.26 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:06:15.02 Taylor Kruse So we went there one day with her ah her gear set up and you know a bobber and a worm. And she caught some trout and she was excited about that. And then she I gave her a little fly casting lesson on the dock. at the pond where we were staying.
00:06:31.24 Taylor Kruse And then she wanted to try fly fishing. the next day so then we went back to the kids pond and she caught her first Trout on a dry fly which is a big deal in fly fishing That means you use a fly that floats on the surface and it's very visual.
00:06:45.49 Taylor Kruse It's very exciting because you can see the fish kind of come out of nowhere and eat the fly.
00:06:47.64 Tony Fowler mm-hmm
00:06:49.45 Taylor Kruse and then you know it's it's hard because you have to set the hook at the right time. And a lot of times you see it happening and you. you lift and set the hook too soon and yeah and then you miss the fish
00:06:56.70 Tony Fowler You go too soon or... Yeah.
00:06:59.74 Taylor Kruse So long story short. you know She... she was able to do some she she really started to get the fly casting and the rhythm of that And she got to the point where she was able to do that on her own.
00:07:13.58 Taylor Kruse And then she caught her first trout. 100 % on her own. She has caught trout on the fly rod with me before but she did it 100 % on her. own where she made the cast She she set the hook with the dry fly and then she you know reeled in the fish and even put it in the net so it was a big uh
00:07:30.74 Tony Fowler Wow.
00:07:31.39 Taylor Kruse yeah it was a big breakthrough it was cool
00:07:34.75 Tony Fowler Is that like a... Heavy for her? To like reel it in.
00:07:38.10 Taylor Kruse The Rod.
00:07:39.24 Tony Fowler it just the whole the the whole thing to like reel it in once she's got a fish on the line
00:07:40.43 Taylor Kruse Um. It's... It's coordination right it's not so the rod that I have her using is very light very small She's pretty short compared to the rods that I use and that helps When you have a fish on and you know these trout aren't huge trout but she actually caught a pretty good one.
00:07:56.64 Taylor Kruse It's it's more about coordination because when you're When you're fighting a... a trout on a fly rod You. It's weird. You take this for granted.
00:08:07.94 Taylor Kruse But then as I'm teaching her I'm like oh yeah all this like. multitasking is actually really hard. you have to keep enough bend in the rod. But not too much or you break the fish off the line will snap So it has to be just ah just the right amount of bend that you're creating.
00:08:25.85 Taylor Kruse And if you don't keep the rod tip up... and you let it drop. It enters Slack. into the hole.
00:08:33.28 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:08:33.52 Taylor Kruse situation and slack when slack is entered and there's no tension on the line the the hook falls out of the fish's mouth. So you lose the fish. Right. So it's like this coordination that you take for granted. And you know meanwhile you're.
00:08:49.57 Taylor Kruse You're doing that trying not to break the fish off. and you have to reel it in. Right. And so that's coordination with your opposite hand. You're doing that. So yeah I was kind of reminded of all these like little multitasking things with coordination that make fly fishing challenging at first.
00:09:08.55 Taylor Kruse But she was doing a great job with it. so it was It was fun to watch.
00:09:12.51 Tony Fowler So it turns out you've been... juggling and walking and and sitting down. while juggling. all to prepare for fly fishing.
00:09:20.47 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:09:21.10 Tony Fowler With ah multitasking complex movements.
00:09:22.46 Taylor Kruse It's all training. It's all training and yeah a lot of that stuff. I mean That's what it's good for right? all Putting those little things. those little skills into your. into your workouts. I mean
00:09:34.98 Taylor Kruse It's... it transfer It might transfer into real life. More than. back squats or bench press or pull-ups or something.
00:09:45.80 Taylor Kruse You know what I mean?
00:09:46.98 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:09:47.24 Taylor Kruse Right. It's like it's just so integrated and. you know those Those types of skills transfer into being able to use your... body better have better motor control and Yeah it's it's interesting. so Yeah.
00:10:01.29 Tony Fowler You know when I hear the the term movement professional the thing I think about is like teaching people to run or to. you know to squat and and to do it with good form and that kind of thing.
00:10:11.76 Tony Fowler and and
00:10:12.04 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:10:13.33 Tony Fowler you know I need to expand my mental definition of that. to include things like being able to fly fish or like play lacrosse or whatever it is right?
00:10:21.15 Taylor Kruse Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I think about that a lot because... You know what? Training to me now has changed the way I think about it. you know Back in the day it was all about...
00:10:32.73 Taylor Kruse how much weight is on the bar. How much muscle mass am I putting on? ah you know That's sort of how I measured progress. and you you sort of you go through this maturing phase and it takes a long long time and then you know If you stick with fitness and training you end up in a place where...
00:10:50.93 Taylor Kruse You start thinking more about longevity being able to do the things you want to do. with your body for as long as possible. and So I... I kind of run Like fly fishing might sound silly to some people. I run it through a filter in my mind sometimes.
00:11:06.69 Taylor Kruse Because I'm like all right if I want to do this into my 90s. and and i want to be able to go where i want to go and i don't you know it's like i don't i don't want to be fly fishing at 90 years old and like having someone wheel me up to like a wheelchair access right i mean if that were the case great i can still go fishing and i can and i can enjoy it but I still want to be.
00:11:29.44 Taylor Kruse Accessing. Rivers.
00:11:31.70 Tony Fowler mm-hmm
00:11:32.40 Taylor Kruse With my own body using you know my legs to walk And. Go over different terrain and be okay with that. hike in a little bit further from a bridge access point.
00:11:46.63 Taylor Kruse weighed comfortably because you go in the river right and safely And I think about that stuff. and You know it it's sort of uh it's It sort of gives me perspective and sort of resets my approach. Where.
00:12:02.43 Taylor Kruse the little seemingly simple things that are easily forgotten. in a training program. all of a sudden then move to the front again like the the priority list and it's things like juggling like we've been talking about.
00:12:16.47 Taylor Kruse It's all those little seemingly simple joint mobility mobility drills. making sure that my feet can move well my ankles can move well I have mobility there I have...
00:12:27.53 Taylor Kruse you know motor control. all that stuff right all that stuff matters so much when it comes to longevity and continuing to use your body More so than...
00:12:38.51 Taylor Kruse you know how much weight can I hold in my hands as I do this you know split squat like that's all still valuable. You want to keep muscle mass on as you age. for sure But.
00:12:50.60 Taylor Kruse That strength. And how you transfer it into your life is very limited if you don't have the other kind of prerequisite qualities that we talk about like balance coordination.
00:13:01.86 Taylor Kruse and mobility. So yeah it's it's good to think about that. you know how you want to use your body. and Am I? Am I doing things in my training program that...
00:13:13.74 Taylor Kruse will allow me. to use my body the way I want to.
00:13:18.56 Tony Fowler Yeah. No that's that's a really...
00:13:24.99 Tony Fowler It's a really... um relatable perspective. And I think it's something that.
00:13:28.54 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:13:29.61 Tony Fowler You know as I'm getting older I'm thinking about more and more as well. you know
00:13:33.54 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:13:34.49 Tony Fowler it' so when you When you're young you don't think that way.
00:13:34.65 Taylor Kruse For sure. No not at all.
00:13:38.02 Tony Fowler It's all about today and tomorrow and not. you know Uh... 30 years in the future.
00:13:45.95 Taylor Kruse Exactly. Exactly.
00:13:49.64 Tony Fowler um Well speaking of strength training. I thought this would be a good way to dive into the conversation. um Strength training is pretty... Pretty common. but I think most people listening to this podcast have probably.
00:14:04.86 Tony Fowler done some strength training in their life.
00:14:06.73 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:14:07.38 Tony Fowler And... You know the the conventional wisdom is you know you pick something up. It loads it load you load the body you load the muscles. um you You stress them.
00:14:19.92 Tony Fowler You put that weight down and... You give your so your body time to grow.
00:14:24.74 Taylor Kruse Mm hmm.
00:14:24.87 Tony Fowler And then when you come back you can... lift it for more reps. You can lift a slightly heavier weight. et cetera and the cycle continues right?
00:14:32.52 Taylor Kruse That's right.
00:14:33.28 Tony Fowler Um I feel like. We often want to take this approach. and apply it to the other stuff that we do. and apply neurology.
00:14:45.32 Tony Fowler Um... And... I guess that. sort of begs the question that feels like resilience training to me. Right.
00:14:54.58 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:14:54.49 Tony Fowler Like when you are. training resilience. Um You know you are exposing and And I want you to. you know correct me and. and elaborate on this because I'm just riffing here but you are exposing your your body to stimulus.
00:15:13.42 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:15:14.21 Tony Fowler And... You are. um Then coming back and... being able to expose it to even more. like you're building your threshold of tolerance right
00:15:24.96 Taylor Kruse That's right. Yeah
00:15:26.18 Tony Fowler Um But that isn't always how it works. You can't always start there. Right.
00:15:34.11 Taylor Kruse Mm hmm.
00:15:34.96 Tony Fowler And so I guess my my first question is why? Can't we start with... the the strength training approach. to everything we do. and applied neurology.
00:15:47.50 Taylor Kruse well It... So the way I think about this. based just on my experiences. is that I really do feel like there are...
00:16:01.41 Taylor Kruse There are prerequisites. to that need to be had before strength training can give you All that we know it can.
00:16:12.41 Tony Fowler Hmm.
00:16:12.74 Taylor Kruse You know But it's it's so for example. And I just mentioned. these qualities. Balance. is sort of that. So when I first. started getting into training and coaching.
00:16:27.89 Taylor Kruse A lot of my methodology was based off of the Burdanko method. which we had talked about. in an episode recently actually. And.
00:16:39.84 Taylor Kruse the The baseline sort of philosophy for the Burdenko method. was built around this pyramid of what's called the six essential qualities of fitness.
00:16:51.13 Taylor Kruse And so this was sort of my first. introduction to thinking about other qualities besides just strength. because everything was about strength at that. point in my in my career and in my life.
00:17:04.95 Taylor Kruse And it was very interesting. And it really caught my attention because as I was. becoming more interested in sport performance. and i started to understand well yeah in sport performance it's not just about strength like you like thinking about wrestling.
00:17:20.17 Taylor Kruse Right. Which is. was you know my primary sport. I was able to at least understand that balance is important for wrestling mobility is important for wrestling. Speed is important for wrestling and it's not just about strength. And I've also had many instances where somebody that I was way stronger than.
00:17:39.51 Taylor Kruse wiped the floor with me in a wrestling match.
00:17:41.52 Tony Fowler who
00:17:43.10 Taylor Kruse Right. And so those were sort of ah you know. Those were... educational moments for me. Um And. Looking at this. Early on looking at the six essential qualities.
00:17:56.20 Taylor Kruse Pyramid The foundation of that pyramid was balance. And the way it was explained to me is that if you don't have balance... You can't do anything And you take it for a granted.
00:18:09.00 Taylor Kruse right But if you don't have balance you really can't go and pick up weights. Right. So we'll call it balance and like stability. um and you know the it goes on so like it went balance and then it went coordination And then it went flexibility.
00:18:24.64 Taylor Kruse Then it went endurance as we're moving up the pyramid Speed. And then finally strength was at the top of this pyramid in that little. That little space there that little triangle at the top of the pyramid was strength.
00:18:37.94 Taylor Kruse And that was always very eyeopening to me or it was at that time. Because everything for me. I had grown up flipping the pyramid upside down. strength being on the bottom.
00:18:50.00 Taylor Kruse right so So those foundational qualities beneath strength are really... in my mind the most important before we can get to strength and get into what strength training can do for us right? It can help us grow.
00:19:06.84 Taylor Kruse ah bigger muscles. It can help us become stronger. uh it Like you were saying it can help us build our tolerance. All right. are our tolerance to something that's hard.
00:19:21.50 Taylor Kruse Something which is which is a. a type of or i I guess I should say it's a benefit of strength training. that I don't think people really think about. It's literally getting better at doing something that's difficult.
00:19:37.72 Taylor Kruse Right? It's hard on your body. It's stressful. And it's good to have those things in your life so that you can build a tolerance. It's a form of tolerance training.
00:19:49.21 Taylor Kruse right or toughening. training if you're doing it properly. Because as you mentioned kind of that progressive overload. mentality where you're You're constantly trying to get better and that's going to require you to.
00:20:02.07 Taylor Kruse maybe increase the amount of weight. that you're using or increase the amount of intensity that you're using. the volume of exercises that you're using. There's so many different ways to... change the way you're doing it to make it. uh harder All right. That's a huge benefit of strength training. So the point there is that.
00:20:22.62 Taylor Kruse Kind of working up through the base qualities those foundational qualities to some degree before you get to a lot of the strength training. it just prepares you better for it.
00:20:33.51 Tony Fowler Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah and so... maybe Maybe I... Maybe I jumped the gun a little bit. But my assumption was sort of that. Strength training is analogous.
00:20:46.96 Tony Fowler to... resilience training and other systems.
00:20:51.89 Taylor Kruse Mm hmm.
00:20:52.92 Tony Fowler and maybe maybe we should backtrack a little bit just to to make sure we're we're using the right words. Um You know I think it would be worth worthwhile like defining what you consider to be resilience.
00:21:08.72 Tony Fowler Building.
00:21:08.69 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:21:09.76 Tony Fowler and then And then maybe we can explore that. that comparison further.
00:21:14.33 Taylor Kruse Yeah so For me. resilience training. And in it can be applied to any... category of training. So we could talk about resilience training.
00:21:26.97 Taylor Kruse in the form of strength. We could talk about resilience training in the form of mobility. We could talk about resilience training. um in the form of balance even.
00:21:38.95 Taylor Kruse To me... Resilience training is challenging yourself. enough that It's uncomfortable. All right so that's kind of the key thing. It has to be uncomfortable.
00:21:54.00 Taylor Kruse So for strength training we are using enough weight. that things are starting to cross that line and become somewhat uncomfortable. With endurance training it's a no-brainer right?
00:22:06.83 Taylor Kruse Most endurance training is uncomfortable. Right. um At least for me.
00:22:12.57 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:22:12.90 Taylor Kruse and And that's a form of resilience training because as ah like an endurance athlete is constantly pushing their limits. and trying to figure out figure out how to develop their...
00:22:24.80 Taylor Kruse their body their cardiovascular system whatever all these different things to... to be able to endure more. right and go further and do it maybe faster.
00:22:36.81 Taylor Kruse And that's a form of resilience training. So we can kind of... run all these different types of training or fitness through a filter and kind of apply this idea of resilience training.
00:22:47.100 Taylor Kruse even Joint mobility. is is something that... I think about a lot with resilience training. because you can... you can practice joint mobility in sort of a therapeutic way.
00:22:59.10 Taylor Kruse and That's typically what I do initially with people. It's sort of like within that threat reduction type. Category. where we're looking for high payoffs we're trying to use...
00:23:09.42 Taylor Kruse Find exercises that help us move better feel better. And it may feel more therapeutic in nature. But eventually we move into this sort of threat inoculation category. where you've done enough of the basics.
00:23:22.22 Taylor Kruse and you've gain some conditioning in the process and now it's time to On purpose. add more stress to the training. And for joint mobility.
00:23:34.42 Taylor Kruse All of a sudden drills become faster. Ranges of motion become... Larger. And. And that is riskier.
00:23:43.74 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:23:43.97 Taylor Kruse right? Increase your range of motion and add speed to it. And what do you have? A perfect recipe for injury. That's how people get hurt But. We do it in more of a controlled environment.
00:23:55.86 Taylor Kruse cautiously with the progressive overload. This is a form of resilience training and it's how we might. Take... the resilience approach with mobility over time. It's not necessarily something you do right away.
00:24:08.33 Taylor Kruse But. I can increase range of motion. I can increase speed. I can... purposely put myself in positions where I don't really have the mechanical advantage.
00:24:18.84 Taylor Kruse I am somewhat compromised. in the position But I'm practicing in the position. And the whole point. here. in what we're going to be talking about.
00:24:30.20 Taylor Kruse In the episode. with this idea of resilience and toughening. is that this graded exposure... to... Threat.
00:24:41.39 Taylor Kruse in a controlled environment will little by little allow us to handle more threat. And so this is the idea of building a larger threat bucket.
00:24:52.71 Taylor Kruse right We're not necessarily decreasing threat. We're increasing it. But we're building a larger bucket. that can handle it. And this is...
00:25:04.72 Taylor Kruse pretty much Only how I think about training these days. Really? Because for me... you know in and where I am in my life and the things I want to do.
00:25:15.10 Taylor Kruse i'm not really interested in squatting 500 pounds. Right it's it's not really that's not what like I want to be strong I want to be reasonably strong And I strength train but more for me it's like.
00:25:27.28 Taylor Kruse I want to build a better threat bigger threat bucket so I can handle more stress. and I don't pay a price. For using my body in a certain way Right. And that's to me that that to me is what resilience.
00:25:40.86 Taylor Kruse ah training can can do for for us.
00:25:44.77 Tony Fowler Yeah. as you as you increase exposure. uh in a controlled way. then you can handle more.
00:25:53.09 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:25:53.42 Tony Fowler of that threat. And so...
00:25:54.87 Taylor Kruse that That's right.
00:25:56.42 Tony Fowler You know it's like you may not. you know You may not be. you know squatting 500 pounds but that day that you need to lift something heavy You will have prepared your body for that moment.
00:26:08.45 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:26:08.69 Tony Fowler Um and And then... Yeah. Yeah. So. i want I want to go back to... the part before you get to this resilience training.
00:26:20.63 Taylor Kruse Mm hmm.
00:26:21.09 Tony Fowler And this is. I think. a lot of what we talk about day in and day out. on this podcast which is. you know what happens when... You try to do a mobility drill.
00:26:33.26 Tony Fowler And it increases your pain. You get shooting nerve pain or. You know it's it's bothering you. Um You know this is this is the This is where.
00:26:45.89 Tony Fowler You can't just apply that. strength training model. to the problem right away.
00:26:51.97 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:26:52.39 Tony Fowler Right. um So let's talk about that. this And maybe this is the threat. reduction phase. Ah.
00:27:00.10 Taylor Kruse Yeah so this is the most common problem in the industry. Is is people... This is essentially why I ended up. doing the type of work that I do.
00:27:10.61 Taylor Kruse Because cause i could have done I could have just gone like the traditional strength and conditioning. you know route Um And what happened is that... As I was.
00:27:23.10 Taylor Kruse gaining clients early on in my career as a... personal trainer. Everyone had one thing in common and that's that they were in pain and it was limiting them from something like limiting them from Movement And so i had I couldn't really ignore that.
00:27:40.23 Taylor Kruse I tried for a while because that's kind of what you do as a personal trainer early on. It's like people come to you with. They have pain and all you can do is work around the problem. And for me eventually that kind of got old. I wanted to have more solutions.
00:27:53.72 Taylor Kruse So to me like one of the most common problems in the. industry health and fitness is that people. My... want to exercise they might want to use their body in a certain way do a certain thing.
00:28:06.17 Taylor Kruse And then yeah they run into a pain obstacle. And then what do you do? right because you you can't really and you shouldn't really work through that. And it. generally derails people from having progress anyway because it's...
00:28:20.07 Taylor Kruse frustrating. Maybe it's depressing. emotional in some way when you can't. Use your body the way you want it to because you're running into pain. so you know That is definitely when we start to think about more threat reduction.
00:28:35.73 Taylor Kruse You know how can we use our applied neuro skills? to essentially... deal with Maybe symptoms. that that are are we're experiencing.
00:28:47.41 Taylor Kruse Maybe uh... Maybe teach the brain. That it doesn't have to be As scared. right? Teach the nervous system safety. through the right drills.
00:28:59.95 Taylor Kruse So that threat... will be reduced. And generally what we see is less pain. when when that happens. So yeah that's sort of that's sort of the threat reduction phase. right Where we're leaning on a lot of...
00:29:13.47 Taylor Kruse high payoff drills. We're finding those high payoff drills through testing. trying to figure out people's patterns through all the stuff that we do And then we're applying those drills to reduce threat.
00:29:25.02 Taylor Kruse and improve function and and really. Just give the nervous system this. Sense of safety. You're you're sort of nurturing. At that point. right? You're kind of nurturing the nervous system. And.
00:29:37.64 Taylor Kruse We always say when it comes to pain. The first goal is one pain-free repetition.
00:29:43.21 Tony Fowler the
00:29:43.33 Taylor Kruse That's always the first goal And the reason why that's significant. Is because if you can. Do something using a drill and using some of our tools to create one pain-free repetition You've essentially just proved to...
00:29:59.53 Taylor Kruse yourself the coach and the person's brain and nervous system that two reps is possible. And that's literally how the process starts to unfold.
00:30:10.08 Taylor Kruse One pain-free rep. equals two pain-free reps. And then it's about convincing the brain. convincing the brain of what is possible. And at the same time
00:30:22.46 Taylor Kruse Things are feeling... safer. safer right as you as you use these drills. That's really the key. That's the key to getting out of of chronic pain. and And it's not linear. It's ah it's messy.
00:30:34.75 Taylor Kruse Right? Because it's not always perfect like that. Um There are moments where you feel like you've taken a step back. you've got to find new drills figure it out. But that's...
00:30:46.20 Taylor Kruse that's where it starts And it's about convincing. the brain and and finding that level of safety.
00:30:52.71 Tony Fowler Mm hmm. And it seems like often in that. Threat reduction phase. you might be calling upon... Other systems. and And you might be using a more indirect approach. Perhaps.
00:31:08.20 Taylor Kruse Yes absolutely. Because. especially if let's say the the movement the person is... performing. is causing too much. difficulty and pain.
00:31:20.71 Taylor Kruse Right. Sometimes you have to. go through other systems. To create a result Sometimes you have to ignore an area kind of locally.
00:31:31.31 Taylor Kruse like all right well let's not Let's not do anything. locally to your knee right now. Let's find some other systems to work with. And yeah some of those things could actually be.
00:31:46.24 Taylor Kruse is connected to the reason why the person is having the pain in the first place.
00:31:51.01 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:31:51.36 Taylor Kruse But but here's where it gets interesting some of them might not be and And that's where... We lose people. I'm thinking about when I teach professionals.
00:32:02.30 Taylor Kruse This is a very challenging thing for some professionals to Grasp. and it's scary to them.
00:32:13.08 Taylor Kruse Because what it means is... I can help a person with their goal. By finding the exact solution And that's what most people want to do.
00:32:24.50 Taylor Kruse But then you learn I can help people. with a goal. By doing something... that's absolutely not really connected. Not directly anyway. And that can be hard to...
00:32:36.89 Taylor Kruse to grasp Because then it comes back to... Well... Our health is holistic. And we're back to the threat bucket.
00:32:44.52 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:32:45.03 Taylor Kruse So sometimes I can help somebody's knee. By doing a mobility drill with a different joint. or doing a vision drill.
00:32:52.68 Tony Fowler Opposing elbow or something.
00:32:54.01 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:32:54.51 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:32:54.28 Taylor Kruse Yeah. Exactly. Opposing joints. A vision drill? That's where things get really weird. right Because vision has such a...
00:33:05.22 Taylor Kruse an effect on muscle tone in the body and in the way that we that we Plan and enact movement. Vision drill can help that knee.
00:33:15.72 Taylor Kruse right and So now we're going through other systems and maybe it doesn't seem directly related but then of course at the end it's all kind of connected right?
00:33:24.11 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:33:24.37 Taylor Kruse Um Neurology is cool because... You can almost make... At least build a case. for How any system... could have an influence on that person's knee pain.
00:33:37.71 Taylor Kruse All right and adjust.
00:33:37.96 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:33:39.29 Taylor Kruse It doesn't mean you're right. but it allows you to think much bigger. And it gives you... way more options. Way more options when you can when you can think like that.
00:33:49.86 Taylor Kruse So yeah sometimes we're piggybacking on other systems too reduce threat. And that's huge when... The person can't. move without too much pain Right we can't really do that localized stuff. So now we got a go to other other places.
00:34:06.37 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:34:12.59 Tony Fowler So... I think this might be a good time to talk just a little bit of neuroanatomy.
00:34:16.68 Taylor Kruse Sure.
00:34:17.14 Tony Fowler And specifically I had flagged. the thalamus.
00:34:21.07 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:34:21.83 Tony Fowler as an as a point of interest for this conversation. And I don't know how long we need to dwell.
00:34:24.86 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:34:27.05 Tony Fowler here. um But. Uh tell Tell us about the thalamus and its role.
00:34:32.50 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:34:33.37 Tony Fowler One more time.
00:34:34.49 Taylor Kruse Okay so the thalamus is definitely the... the right structure to talk about when we're When we're discussing. tolerance training slash resilience training.
00:34:46.39 Taylor Kruse and there's There's a lot to this. The the thalamus... It's a... it's kind of a weird one for me Um The reason is because...
00:34:57.07 Taylor Kruse We talk about. the eight levels right? Our listeners have heard us talk about the eight levels and the thalamus is involved in the eight levels. And you know many... of categories of the eight levels are very...
00:35:11.54 Taylor Kruse Well we make them very straightforward and simple even though they're not were able to make it that way. Simple. Right. So that we can. utilize something that's complex.
00:35:23.30 Taylor Kruse We can utilize it in a way that... is organized. Right? We're organizing the nervous system. Even though... It's not really possible.
00:35:34.75 Taylor Kruse we can do it with most things. Like for example we talk about the cerebellum. the cerebellum is where... our abcs are housed accuracy balance and coordination That's really all you have to really know about the cerebellum.
00:35:49.39 Taylor Kruse You got to train. accuracy of movement. All right. You got to train your balance and you got to train your coordination. right and if you're doing that. in a somewhat isolated way You are training.
00:36:03.49 Taylor Kruse the cerebellum. So it's pretty straightforward. It's pretty simple. And there's a lot of other structures like that. Well the thalamus... It's not like that. Um
00:36:14.72 Taylor Kruse The thalamus is an area It sits sits deep in the center of the brain. It's it's right above like the top of the brainstem. Okay. And it is.
00:36:26.68 Taylor Kruse um roughly like if you read about it it's it's roughly like egg-shaped. And it's paired structure so it's got... you know two symmetrical egg-like...
00:36:37.75 Taylor Kruse you know masses of... ah gray matter. And.
00:36:43.81 Tony Fowler And this is left-right I'm guessing.
00:36:45.12 Taylor Kruse yes yes and it's um it depends there's we're still as far as i understand in the literature right they're still learning they're still learning about the thalamus uh there is um When I looked this up quickly there is apparently...
00:37:00.27 Taylor Kruse 60 plus. Nuclei. that have now been subdivided. and as far as the thalamus goes um Yeah it's there's a lot. there's a lot there And it's...
00:37:12.01 Taylor Kruse It's an interesting one because it receives input from all over the place. right So because of that we call it the switchboard operator. when when we teach our students this in our courses. The thalamus is the switchboard operator.
00:37:26.32 Taylor Kruse And what that means is. It's kind of a gatekeeper if you will if you will from... What is the subcortical structures?
00:37:36.85 Taylor Kruse of the brain to then what is the cortical structures. So. um thinking thinking about the brain the stuff that lives on the bottom.
00:37:47.86 Taylor Kruse is what we're calling subcortical and then you have like the cortex on top made up of the lobes that most people have seen a graphic of. and many of our listeners know. right the the main cortical lobes there. So the thalamus is the switchboard operator.
00:38:04.82 Taylor Kruse And. it The reason we call it that is because it is in charge of lots of different processing. And when it comes to...
00:38:17.85 Taylor Kruse pain The thalamus is hypercritical. For. for pain issues like people who have been in chronic pain for a long time.
00:38:29.32 Taylor Kruse We definitely want to be thinking about the thalamus. Because the thalamus is involved in... allowing No Susceptive Signaling through to the cortex for like further evaluation and processing.
00:38:44.27 Taylor Kruse which then... that signaling may become a pain experience. It's also involved with squashing it. and inhibiting it. So think about this As humans we're feeling or experiencing some level of nociception all the time.
00:39:03.58 Taylor Kruse Nociception we can think about as threat. So nociceptors are essentially threat receptors. remember we don't have pain receptors in the body. We don't have a pathway for pain.
00:39:16.11 Taylor Kruse We have nociception. that is essentially measuring. Threat signaling. And then our brain basically collects the nociception and compares it to all sorts of other different senses or sensory information coming in. and then Maybe depending on... What's happening?
00:39:35.77 Taylor Kruse there could then be a pain experience as the outcome. okay so the switchboard operator here the thalamus is also involved in inhibiting nociception So what that means is nociception.
00:39:49.13 Taylor Kruse Heads up to the thalamus and knocks on the door. And the thalamus is basically like hmm. This is either important enough. Then I'm going to let it through to the cortex.
00:40:00.25 Taylor Kruse where then it can become a more significant pain experience. or I'm going to lock the door or close the door or whatever. and not let it through. and And this is kind of the significance here. with with tolerance training or with experiencing pain because here's the thing.
00:40:18.77 Taylor Kruse When we... train ourselves to be able to endure More. discomfort. We are technically training our thalamus to inhibit some of the nociception.
00:40:35.40 Taylor Kruse that may not really be dangerous for us. So when you look at that That means that... a person can have a thalamus a switchboard operator with the door wide open.
00:40:49.35 Taylor Kruse where all of this nociceptive signaling Even... signaling that would be considered normal. might be interpreted as more dangerous Head right through that open door to the cortex where then it has more likelihood of becoming a pain experience So...
00:41:10.42 Taylor Kruse Thalamic conditioning. is a real thing. Right? And we've all experienced it. to some degree. right I think about this a lot with sports. You know my I always think about my introduction to jujitsu.
00:41:26.10 Taylor Kruse And then I always think about this when I'm watching white belts start jujitsu because jujitsu is very. uncomfortable in a lot of ways. Um there's pressure on your body.
00:41:38.56 Taylor Kruse Right. So. what it is to be a white belt who's deconditioned and hasn't done anything like jujitsu. It's just miserable. It's miserable. I mean... The average white belt that comes in the door.
00:41:50.00 Taylor Kruse and hasn't done any jujitsu might not even be able to kneel. without pain. Because maybe they haven't kneeled in 18 years. Right? There.
00:42:01.26 Taylor Kruse they're just this dad coming in the door who wants to start jiu-jitsu and they haven't kneeled since Forever right? So like they can't kneel and then there's pressure. And then some. Somebody's trying to you know choke you.
00:42:14.90 Taylor Kruse right And you're wearing the gi. and the geese tightening around you like a fishing net.
00:42:20.01 Tony Fowler The geese the worst part man.
00:42:20.22 Taylor Kruse And you can't move. Yeah and now and now you're struggling to breathe because somebody's got their knee on your belly. but they're also grabbing your lapel and trying to stop you from...
00:42:30.84 Taylor Kruse From basically breathing. And the geese... getting tight everywhere. And. um at the At the same time. Your heart rate is through the roof and you're redlining as far as your cardio goes. So that's also hindering your breathing.
00:42:48.11 Taylor Kruse it's miserable right? There's a lot of air hunger involved. right because because of this And I think about the thalamus with... this example. Because guess what happens to every white belt who sticks with it?
00:43:02.12 Taylor Kruse Breathing becomes easier. They learn how to relax in a stressful position or a stressful environment. They... are able to concentrate more on defending themselves and maybe even applying their offense because they're...
00:43:16.26 Taylor Kruse more comfortable. their joints become more conditioned with training and graded exposure to all the awkward movements. and mobility that's required for jujitsu. So at some point kneeling doesn't hurt anymore.
00:43:30.00 Taylor Kruse Their cardiovascular system. gets better. right? They're breathing better. they're They're learning how to control their breathing. in a stressful environment and all these things.
00:43:41.68 Taylor Kruse Come together. Right. Which is. Basically thalamic conditioning. You become better at... tolerating. discomfort.
00:43:52.71 Taylor Kruse So it's it's neat to think about the the different things that we might do as athletes. with ah with our body. And when you're introduced i mean everyone remembers what it's like to be introduced to something that was difficult.
00:44:06.15 Taylor Kruse Right. You're. You're. concentrating on all that stuff. You can't help it especially when your breathing is labored. but It does get better.
00:44:16.38 Taylor Kruse right it does get better with conditioning
00:44:19.34 Tony Fowler The example that came to my mind was ah people who take cold showers.
00:44:23.49 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:44:24.95 Tony Fowler And you know the first time you do it. it You know it sucks.
00:44:29.65 Taylor Kruse Definitely.
00:44:30.04 Tony Fowler um But then you learn to like breathe slow. and The more you do it the less it feels threatening. and yeah people grow to love it.
00:44:38.61 Taylor Kruse that Yeah it's... That's exactly what it is. there' it's It's a very good form of... um It's a form of thalamic conditioning. I mean... Any... Cold water.
00:44:50.82 Taylor Kruse Immersion being in a sauna same thing. You know could be miserable for somebody you know at first They might not tolerate the heat well. over time with graded exposure you You learn to. right you learn that it's safe Your nervous system kind of turns down the volume.
00:45:09.69 Taylor Kruse a little bit. on the discomfort And your thalamus kind of keeps the door. Closed. Doesn't let all the discomfort turn into kind of escape. and turn into something more.
00:45:23.18 Taylor Kruse yeah it's uh It's interesting like that. There's so many things that we could... we could kind of say our are uh forms of thalamic conditioning. and Some of the interesting ones too are like...
00:45:36.29 Taylor Kruse Impact.
00:45:37.58 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:45:37.79 Taylor Kruse You know I you know i've I've taught a lot of. like my general fitness clients over the years I've taught a lot of. people how to move on the ground.
00:45:48.36 Taylor Kruse and do somersaults and shoulder rolls and all this cool stuff that they never really did before or even thought they could do and Every time I start to teach people.
00:45:58.97 Taylor Kruse Shoulder rolls. Many of them say the same thing. It kind of hurts their neck. It stresses their neck. It stresses their shoulders. their their
00:46:07.28 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:46:08.18 Taylor Kruse They're scared to be upside down. with stress on their body in those. body areas because it's so unusual. and And that's another example right? Because over time with that.
00:46:21.62 Taylor Kruse Created exposure. They um... they become more resilient to being in those positions and they can handle their body better. It's it's cool to watch.
00:46:30.47 Tony Fowler Mm hmm. Yeah I also think about like ah when you first start squatting heavy. and the bar on on the back of your Like go.
00:46:39.26 Taylor Kruse Oh yeah.
00:46:39.92 Tony Fowler On your back.
00:46:40.86 Taylor Kruse and in like this position where you got your hands on the bars and you're yeah you're like extending and then you come out of that as a as a newbie and you feel like stuck you're like oh
00:46:41.06 Tony Fowler you know the middle part of the bar. Yeah.
00:46:50.86 Taylor Kruse All right.
00:46:51.21 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:46:50.92 Taylor Kruse Yeah you get. more tolerant of things like that.
00:46:51.86 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:46:54.26 Tony Fowler So let me let me ask you a question about that. um How specific. Are these tolerances like if I do air hunger training?
00:47:05.29 Taylor Kruse Mm hmm.
00:47:05.99 Tony Fowler And so I feel I build my tolerance so I feel less threat. When I'm... you know uh deprived of air Does that have carryover to...
00:47:17.16 Tony Fowler doing a shoulder roll. and feeling threat there or being cold being in cold water. is there The reason I ask is is there because it's all going through this. central switchboard operator.
00:47:28.77 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:47:29.46 Tony Fowler and the thalamus. Is there carryover or are these very specific?
00:47:32.45 Taylor Kruse Yeah. Yeah i don't i don't I don't know.
00:47:34.67 Tony Fowler tolerances.
00:47:37.05 Taylor Kruse the answer. But my... My instinct is to say... Yes and no.
00:47:44.05 Tony Fowler Hmm.
00:47:43.95 Taylor Kruse My instinct is to say... There can absolutely be carryover. Um Tough people. are generally tough. In.
00:47:55.75 Taylor Kruse Lots of different categories. Right. So i think I think that there's definitely some carryover. Tough people usually expose themselves to other hard things.
00:48:08.53 Taylor Kruse as well. So they get maybe more of of a variety.
00:48:12.42 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:48:12.86 Taylor Kruse of... of exposure to discomfort. So it's it's hard to say. it's not I don't know the exact answer. But I do know too that sometimes with the brain and nervous system things can be hyper specific.
00:48:27.04 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:48:27.31 Taylor Kruse You know which is why Like... Me. a relatively fit and athletic person. could get and Get invited to go rock climbing.
00:48:39.62 Taylor Kruse This weekend. And. be absolutely miserable. because I don't have the conditioning. for rock climbing. in my upper body my hands.
00:48:51.34 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:48:51.63 Taylor Kruse Right. And I come off the rock wall or something and I'm just fried and it's uncomfortable and I've got burning that I can't recover from and the skin on my. on my fingers feels like it's you know totally getting ripped off. and I don't yet have the tolerance for that even though I do pull-ups.
00:49:11.52 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:49:11.45 Taylor Kruse And I do jujitsu which is almost like rock climbing on another person. You know and it's.
00:49:16.26 Tony Fowler Hit it.
00:49:17.96 Taylor Kruse It's funny it's it's interesting how sometimes the the specificity of these... activities really does matter. And then you're kind of back to. The beginning right of... of but you know offering yourself the exposure to that thing to then.
00:49:33.96 Taylor Kruse Build.
00:49:35.46 Tony Fowler Yeah. So a related question. Um... Do different systems respond differently? to...
00:49:47.04 Tony Fowler Resilience Training. Like. even Even if there's no carryover. do does cold tolerance and you know... pain at end of range of motion tolerance.
00:49:59.70 Tony Fowler Do they increase? Do do they... ah you know do they follow the same rules? tools. guess.
00:50:06.01 Taylor Kruse I think it all follows the same rules for the most part.
00:50:09.30 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:50:09.74 Taylor Kruse Yeah. It all like really the... The main thing is... it has to be uncomfortable. It just has to balance that line. It can't be too much right?
00:50:23.00 Taylor Kruse if if i if if If I say to somebody and this happens constantly to people out there because... you know people think okay i got to start doing ice baths today because you know Instagram said so.
00:50:34.52 Taylor Kruse And so they fill their bathtub with ice and jump in. and they They learn how hard that can be right away. Um If you have an experience where you... You push the limits.
00:50:49.03 Taylor Kruse And it's too much and it causes too much threat. Remember plasticity. can happen in one repetition. If it's intense enough.
00:51:00.36 Taylor Kruse So you can do something that's too intense and have a bad experience with it? and then you don't want to do that thing anymore. And the only thing you learned from it. is that you don't want to do that anymore.
00:51:12.42 Taylor Kruse Right and you might have learned
00:51:13.01 Tony Fowler So it could backfire essentially.
00:51:14.67 Taylor Kruse yeah yeah like it's it's just too much right i mean that's that kind of plasticity is kind of the type that we don't... necessarily want in a lot of ways.
00:51:26.02 Taylor Kruse Because it... It creates... fear and guarding with the nervous system. Even when in in some... more intense instances.
00:51:36.62 Taylor Kruse Um What happens is... It drives up stress levels. Even when... inputs coming in. for lack of a better term remind the nervous system and brain of...
00:51:50.85 Taylor Kruse the inputs that were coming in during a intense. maybe negative experience. So that's kind of how people get into. Uh
00:52:02.68 Taylor Kruse They have responses that are. more stressful when where now like normal incoming sensations let's say. can be perceived as more threatening than they should be.
00:52:14.30 Taylor Kruse And. The problem with this too is that and this falls right in line with the conversation around the thalamus is that you can actually become better. at... experiencing pain.
00:52:25.92 Taylor Kruse and discomfort. And it's almost like the. Gate the um... switchboard operator the thalamus is slowly opening the door wider and wider and wider and letting more of that nociceptive input.
00:52:39.87 Taylor Kruse into the cortex. We don't really want that. And that's what I see a lot In people. who have maybe been struggling with chronic pain for a long time.
00:52:52.07 Taylor Kruse They've become better. at experiencing chronic pain as weird as that. Macy. Because chronic pain... in many cases is pain that people might experience that does not necessarily have an injury event or if it did...
00:53:08.42 Taylor Kruse tissues are healed. But then why several years later... do we still have pain? All right So... You could say...
00:53:18.91 Taylor Kruse we got to think about the thalamus that door is getting wider and wider which is causing a pain experience. More than it should um And I've seen a lot of people struggle with this.
00:53:31.37 Taylor Kruse in restoring movement like in a rehab situation where... It's like they... They're too fearful. Right there too fearful to do a certain movement Because they become better at being fearful about that movement.
00:53:47.98 Taylor Kruse That's the difficulty here. when the thalamus is involved like that.
00:53:55.09 Tony Fowler Yeah you can switch from a... threat reduction need to uh... Or from a threat. And I... Ugh. you can switch from like a tolerance building.
00:54:06.61 Tony Fowler scenario to like a Uh threatening scenario.
00:54:10.56 Taylor Kruse Yeah and you're building the wrong thing. you know Instead of building resilience you're actually building a lower threshold. to... discomfort. and And that's...
00:54:21.29 Tony Fowler So when...
00:54:23.13 Taylor Kruse That's a lot of people get stuck in that
00:54:26.26 Tony Fowler So in the past when we talked about chronic pain we've also talked about interoception.
00:54:31.26 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:54:32.32 Tony Fowler How is that related to the thalamus? Um...
00:54:35.58 Taylor Kruse it it seems very related um the reason i say that is because like when i take histories and stuff I often see... people giving me a history.
00:54:46.51 Taylor Kruse that has a lot like i'll check the box a lot for insular-type findings.
00:54:51.10 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:54:51.29 Taylor Kruse as well as... Thalamic. findings. So it's... It's always... ah but I've seen that a while it's always been interesting to me Um
00:55:03.31 Taylor Kruse Yeah it's... It's not super clear to me. It's just something that I... i see enough and i'm like yeah that's That definitely is a pattern.
00:55:12.77 Tony Fowler Is there anything you could do to like suppress? Insular stimulation. Wow. Trying to build... Tolerance.
00:55:21.87 Taylor Kruse Yes that's good. It's a good way to put it because... A lot of times. when people have become more hypersensitive. Because that's... what we're talking about.
00:55:34.34 Taylor Kruse Depending on the type of he hypersensitivity that the insula can become very involved. Especially... with um
00:55:45.04 Taylor Kruse Body like internal. Body awareness.
00:55:48.73 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:55:49.30 Taylor Kruse When people have an insular... issue. Maybe they become more hypersensitive to internal sensations. That could be movement-based. That could be contracting your muscles.
00:56:01.30 Taylor Kruse That could also be your heart rate. That could be your breathing. You know? um Could you turn that down? Yeah you could. There's different ways to approach it. The the most...
00:56:14.36 Taylor Kruse The highest percentage way that I've found to turn down some of those. hypersensitivities that seem to involve the insula. is well one to get people to keep their attention outward.
00:56:32.08 Taylor Kruse more when they exercise. and when they move and so um that might mean that Instead of... Doing lunges where the goal is to feel every single muscle involved in the lunge you might be doing lunges that resemble something more athletic where you're reacting to an external stimulus maybe coming through.
00:56:52.83 Taylor Kruse the eyes like Sometimes I have... this type of client do movement based on a visual metronome.
00:57:00.92 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:57:01.29 Taylor Kruse where the metronome is flashing at a certain tempo and they're reacting or trying to time their movement to the visual metronome we can do the same thing. with an auditory stimulus where traditional metronome. They're trying to time movement. This is a way to keep the attention outward more.
00:57:18.77 Taylor Kruse So it doesn't give them a chance to go inward. as much. This can be really powerful. So. looking for ways to keep the attention outward. and Then...
00:57:31.62 Taylor Kruse Something that's been very high percentage. is lots of frontal lobe activation. seems to Play a roll. in inhibiting some of the insular type responses.
00:57:45.28 Taylor Kruse And really frontal lobe activation becomes very important for the thalamus client too the the one that you are suspicious has. maybe some thalamic issues. Um
00:57:55.96 Taylor Kruse In the... Research literature depending on what you read. With the. ah history findings around thalamic issues.
00:58:08.01 Taylor Kruse It has been seen that there is some impairment of executive functions. So there's there's quite a relationship between... Our executive functions they live in the frontal lobe.
00:58:19.88 Taylor Kruse and the thalamus. For what it's worth So again Maybe. some cortical activation some frontal lobe style drills could be quite useful for both inhibiting some of those insular responses but...
00:58:34.50 Taylor Kruse even working on the the thalamus.
00:58:38.59 Tony Fowler And this could be stuff like ah targeting. like decision-making reading.
00:58:43.70 Taylor Kruse Totally. Think athletic. playful games. Yeah for frontal lobe activation so reacting you mentioned juggling at the beginning juggling is going to be a ah great cortical skill Dual tasking.
00:58:58.15 Taylor Kruse Timing things. Memory recall worked into training. Sequencing. worked in a training like where you have to remember a sequence of exercises and you repeat the sequence Let's say.
00:59:11.08 Taylor Kruse ah you know squat lunge jump. And then you reverse it. you know do the other order change the order. So many. There's so many ways that we could create more.
00:59:22.34 Taylor Kruse kind of cortical or cognitive cognitive style loads. in the training versus just a typical exercise setting. Up down.
00:59:31.47 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:59:32.07 Taylor Kruse You know push pull. All right you don't really need to. do anything special you're just kind of focused on the movement this is a really good thing to do and and can be really beneficial.
00:59:43.61 Tony Fowler Yeah. We're starting to... um you know lay out some options for people. In terms of. ah you know decreasing threat and... then and then allowing you to work to to build tolerance.
00:59:55.81 Tony Fowler I'm curious what are your... favorite or whatever some of your common sort of like resilience building. Tolerance training. Trails.
01:00:07.17 Taylor Kruse Uh Joint Mobility is my favorite way to approach Tolerance work. um I had. Kind of mentioned earlier Larger ranges of motion. On purpose putting yourself in positions where you're somewhat compromised you don't have the mechanical advantage performing your mobility work.
01:00:30.19 Taylor Kruse in those positions and adding speed. That's my favorite. Um Beyond that... Air hunger.
01:00:38.81 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:00:39.49 Taylor Kruse Air hunger work is a great form of tolerance training and all the subcortical structures do become active. with air hunger work air hunger work CO2 tolerance training.
01:00:49.96 Taylor Kruse It can be amazing. um for for people whether you're... dealing with chronic pain. can be incredible for as a tool entry point tool for people with chronic pain that can't move their body in a certain way.
01:01:03.24 Taylor Kruse Sometimes CO2 training is the... kind of gateway into Being able to move pain-free. I love that And then just for general training air hunger is great too. i mean For me as a jujitsu...
01:01:17.66 Taylor Kruse hobbyist which I haven't been training much jujitsu lately but it's coming. It's coming yeah. I'm going to make my comeback in the winter I think. And. You know for someone like me that's doing something like that.
01:01:32.06 Taylor Kruse I can use like air hunger work. for general training. which will Definitely transfer into... Something like that like an activity like that.
01:01:43.07 Taylor Kruse Right so those are my favorites right Um. hiking for me right so like just getting a good hike in And. you know our Our hikes are pretty challenging around where we live. and It's a form of of cardiovascular activity that...
01:02:00.75 Taylor Kruse you know we find you find yourself sort of balancing the line and and being in that state of discomfort. But breathing and staying relaxed and you keep going and you know.
01:02:11.95 Taylor Kruse That's a form of tolerance training that... I have in my life that I think is valuable.
01:02:17.58 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm Um...
01:02:21.66 Tony Fowler When you're working with clients how like what percentage of time are you spending on the like threat reduction phase.
01:02:30.94 Taylor Kruse Hmm.
01:02:31.23 Tony Fowler Versus the. tolerance building resilience building phase.
01:02:36.11 Taylor Kruse Yeah there's a lot of factors here. So... Put it this way. I can't ever get... to threat inoculation slash tolerance training if I don't have follow-up with a client.
01:02:48.75 Taylor Kruse So it really that's not something I generally get to. If I don't have a committed person to work with. That client for me usually is seeing me for kind of a combination of the neuro work but also a combination of actual general.
01:03:05.06 Taylor Kruse Training or like sport performance type type training where I have... maybe several years with the person. to To build.
01:03:15.75 Taylor Kruse right these different things Because it... rarely am I going to really work with somebody that that's our first goal is to jump right into that. that kind of tolerance training because even the professional athletes that i've worked with They need.
01:03:31.07 Taylor Kruse they need to go through a well for one thing they're usually finding me because something hurts They need to go through some threat reduction. They need to find some some high payoff drills for the issues that they're...
01:03:42.78 Taylor Kruse that they're... you know working on Before. Exposing them to increased threat really makes a whole lot of sense. So it's based on the individual.
01:03:53.35 Taylor Kruse What they're actually coming to me for And. Much of the time... I don't even get that opportunity. because somebody is just showing up to Learn some things to help. Get them out of pain.
01:04:07.97 Taylor Kruse right And maybe they don't have the intention of working with me for one year two years or more. So there's other factors involved but... Typically... The people that work with me long term where I get to that kind of stuff. They're usually athletes.
01:04:23.77 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:04:24.03 Taylor Kruse Right? Because they... They like that. They understand that. you know that that the tolerance piece most most athletes do. you know So that's just really fun.
01:04:35.16 Taylor Kruse because then you can use creativity and put a lot of things together and start start using some of those qualities right? that we talked about increasing speed and range of motion and Um
01:04:46.71 Taylor Kruse Yeah it's it's a fun way to... To train.
01:04:49.75 Tony Fowler Mm hmm. You know I'm just thinking about our conversations. and you know not so long ago you were having like back issues
01:04:57.74 Taylor Kruse Right.
01:04:58.13 Tony Fowler And I know you have a history of of issues with like your your elbow. and and
01:05:02.94 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
01:05:03.72 Tony Fowler other things. um it makes me think that this isn't a one-way street. Right. You can go from being... you know in a It's highly threatened state. where you need to just reduce threat.
01:05:18.51 Taylor Kruse Mm hmm.
01:05:19.03 Tony Fowler and and get back to zero. And then go to a state where you can then now. poor. pour the volume on pour the thread on. and and Build. you know do threat inoculation build resilience.
01:05:30.29 Taylor Kruse Right.
01:05:31.62 Tony Fowler Um.
01:05:34.54 Tony Fowler I guess that's less of a question and more of an observation but what do you think of that?
01:05:38.12 Taylor Kruse Did it the two-way street?
01:05:39.74 Tony Fowler Or just that it's not so linear that you might you might throughout the course of your training history... Be. seesawing in between these states.
01:05:46.91 Taylor Kruse Oh. gosh yes that's a good point That's a good point Um Yeah everybody will to some degree I think. If if you if you stay on the path.
01:05:57.76 Taylor Kruse of constant threat inoculation usually eventually it backfires.
01:06:02.00 Tony Fowler Hmm.
01:06:02.47 Taylor Kruse You know you or you just have to balance it right you have to You have to balance it properly which is hard. right um people that get themselves into the most trouble with this are the people that really They really love the discomfort.
01:06:18.59 Taylor Kruse You know and then eventually. Hmm. Their nervous system says hey can we have a break from this? you know if it's not being properly balanced. So personally yeah I've I've seesawed in and out of this you know there's been.
01:06:32.34 Taylor Kruse instances where in my training I can I can train hard. I can. I can do a lot of things expose myself to a lot of different. types of Movements. lots of variation lots of stress.
01:06:48.10 Taylor Kruse And then... Not so much. right Depending on where you are in your life and what sort of other stresses you're dealing with. Your threat bucket is kind of increasing and decreasing and increasing and decreasing.
01:07:00.92 Taylor Kruse and that's normal And you know for me you know I've been telling my story. and you know chunks right? since January. where I got to a point.
01:07:12.57 Taylor Kruse during the the peak of my sort of little... you know health crisis here as I call it. with mold toxicity causing... sort of being a catalyst to a lot of other things that that We're all contributing.
01:07:27.09 Taylor Kruse got to a point where I might work out five times. and feel like I got injured. Two or three. Of the five workouts. Which... remembering back to that it was... It was crazy.
01:07:40.34 Taylor Kruse Now I wasn't having like catastrophic injury.
01:07:42.88 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:07:42.81 Taylor Kruse I was having a lot of threat-based injury. Where... I would experience pain that then would not let me. Continue? They have a few instances though where I think I like sprained some pelvic ligaments squatting.
01:07:56.14 Taylor Kruse And that really... That was. I wouldn't call it catastrophic but like it. It set me back.
01:08:02.11 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:08:02.38 Taylor Kruse And. Thinking about that now I'm like man. like It's... ah That's the kind of thing that happens when you when you develop some sort of health. issue coming from some stress or many different stresses.
01:08:16.25 Taylor Kruse Your threat bucket shrinks. you You're not as tolerant. The threat book it's more full. It's spilling over. and things that should make you feel better don't really make you feel better anymore and you become more sensitive.
01:08:28.17 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:08:29.27 Taylor Kruse do you remember a few episodes back I told this. It's a funny story where I have this pair of shoes and i I had this pair of shoes I bought a couple years ago and I hated the shoes. I was like these things suck. They don't fit my foot right. I feel like this one's forcing me into pronation. um I'm hyper aware of...
01:08:47.65 Taylor Kruse The heel.
01:08:48.98 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:08:48.86 Taylor Kruse on my right heal. when I walk And I could have sworn the shoes were like a factory defect. And I can't tell you how many times I've picked them up put them next to each other look them up and down all over. I'm looking for like a change in the.
01:09:04.14 Taylor Kruse in the structure of the shoe and like maybe i see a little bit in the sole but like not and like Nothing that I feel like I could even take a picture of and contact the company. And so these shoes I hated and I threw them in the closet.
01:09:17.70 Taylor Kruse And then... eventually I had to take him out and I needed like a trail sneaker for hiking in the summer. I was like ah try these things again. Now this. Trying these things again in a... completely different.
01:09:29.52 Taylor Kruse state of health. So two years three years ago when I first tried it. Not good. Come a long way since then. And now I'm wearing these shoes on the regular.
01:09:40.89 Taylor Kruse I have no sensations. coming from that right heel it's I don't feel like it's forcing me into pronation. No problems. The issue's fine.
01:09:51.65 Taylor Kruse So what happened? You know I was more sensitive. I was more sensitive in a lot of ways at that point because my threat bucket was spilling over. My thalamus was you know overwhelmed let's say.
01:10:04.74 Taylor Kruse If we want to get nerdy about it it's a lot of things. Right? But that's an example of how... Normal signaling can become... Dangerous.
01:10:16.77 Taylor Kruse as perceived by your brain. And I find that... So interesting. And so scary. It just it's one of the most interesting things that I can think of.
01:10:29.65 Taylor Kruse because everybody's different. and the way that they experience something. It's different from the next person. because of so many factors.
01:10:41.37 Taylor Kruse But now I'm... I'm living it right? It's like... As I get healthier. and I don't have as much. Threat in my threat bucket.
01:10:52.81 Taylor Kruse Yeah um... I'm able to... Do other things. ah and increase the volume of those other things. Workouts are getting better. more volume maybe more intensity at times.
01:11:07.48 Taylor Kruse I think I'm I'm able to take more workload professionally. with content creation. and teaching. All right. My endurance. It's like my endurance is better for it.
01:11:18.91 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:11:19.59 Taylor Kruse For sure. So it's it's very... Very interesting to experience that. and And that is what we're talking about here. of
01:11:27.49 Tony Fowler Yeah.
01:11:28.14 Taylor Kruse kind of improving your health. in not just one way. but lots of ways right? It's never just one thing. and and experiencing how... That grows the threat bucket bigger.
01:11:41.81 Taylor Kruse that decreases threat in the bucket at the same time and then just gives you the ability to Take on more. which means... new experiences with movement and beyond. It's it's very interesting to me.
01:11:57.65 Taylor Kruse Because everything is perceived.
01:12:00.28 Tony Fowler Yeah. I think about... Applied neur neurology. Kind of is.
01:12:06.60 Tony Fowler Targeting those things that are keeping you. from having that bandwidth. And that ability to to expand your...
01:12:11.79 Taylor Kruse Yeah. That's ex- That's a good way to think about it. it's it was once I once heard it described as sort of well a couple i'm thinking a couple different ways kind of put together One of my.
01:12:26.23 Taylor Kruse good friends. and ah colleagues originally a colleague that became a good friend. had had a great way of of saying i won't get it right but he basically said We basically work on...
01:12:39.48 Taylor Kruse All the invisible things. that the average person can't see. Right and... and And you know. he It's the eyes right? It's the vision. It's it's the vestibular system. It's the breathing.
01:12:52.57 Taylor Kruse right it's the little things with posture it's all that stuff right it's we're working on the invisible things and someone else said Um early on when I was Learning this stuff or starting to learn it it's It's kind of like we're we're learning how to take the emergency brakes off.
01:13:10.30 Taylor Kruse the nervous system. we blu The emergency brake is kind of... invisible
01:13:16.55 Tony Fowler here
01:13:17.16 Taylor Kruse right and and it's been set and so there's sort of this Governor. right that's been set on your nervous system. in terms of what you're allowed to do.
01:13:28.63 Taylor Kruse and what you're not allowed to do. And by... working through all these different inputs you know going after the brain and nervous system with all these different tools that we have.
01:13:39.46 Taylor Kruse We're kind of lifting that emergency brake. And I like to think about it that way. And then as that break is lifted we're able to do more. Yeah.
01:13:53.35 Tony Fowler Is there anything? Else that we should... touch on on this topic.
01:13:58.80 Taylor Kruse Well... Yeah so let's let's finish with a couple of ideas here because... the Thalamus is the structure that's probably most important with this conversation of. thalamic conditioning.
01:14:10.60 Taylor Kruse um and i didn't really get to to say much about like some of the more specific things you could do that at least we categorize as involving the thalamus because
01:14:20.26 Tony Fowler Hmm.
01:14:22.33 Taylor Kruse the The thalamus is not as I mentioned at the beginning not Unlike the cerebellum you can't really... At least... With the tools we have you can't really.
01:14:34.44 Taylor Kruse Isolate it. to some Great degree. But there are things that you can do. That. If you have if our... professionals are listening and you have a client that you think might have a thalamic issue which by the way...
01:14:50.21 Taylor Kruse some Some history things to consider for actual thalamic issues would be chronic a long history of chronic pain. Um Intense mood swings or repetitive head traumas.
01:15:03.01 Taylor Kruse Um Some interesting ones are loss of multiple contralateral sensations. So in like more of a clinical environment. they may test a person's...
01:15:14.31 Taylor Kruse Senses. like tactile senses And if you have a loss of multiple types of senses contralaterally That may be. suggesting there's a thalamic issue. And sometimes that comes with contralateral burning and aching.
01:15:30.43 Taylor Kruse With the body?
01:15:30.72 Tony Fowler Hmm.
01:15:31.70 Taylor Kruse Yeah. There's some interesting ones that you you hear about. Motor tics. Um And essential tremors at rest. Which... are different than let's say like a terminal tremor.
01:15:46.02 Taylor Kruse which is something we talk about with the cerebellum. And these these are different from like a Parkinsonian tremor. This is just like there's a movement tremor of some kind. At rest. So you just might see a person.
01:15:57.79 Taylor Kruse His hand. sort of shaking.
01:15:59.10 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:16:00.50 Taylor Kruse at rest. I've even seen this with people's head. Just sort of shaking at rest. And then regular cramping of hands and feet. Motor learning deficits and this is kind of where I wanted to to get to just for this end piece.
01:16:16.70 Tony Fowler h
01:16:17.41 Taylor Kruse Motor learning deficits and loss of dex dexterity. um like with the hands is a very common one. And there's different reasons why but basically...
01:16:30.33 Taylor Kruse If our listeners remember... Back to the neurology of movement episode where we talked about the final common pathway and how voluntary movement is created. the communication between what is called the basal ganglia.
01:16:44.86 Taylor Kruse Um And... the way this pathway sort of works with other structures it it routes through the thalamus.
01:16:55.61 Taylor Kruse So... If there is like thalamic issues of some kind sometimes it can. Effect. the way a person moves. it can affect the way that they learn.
01:17:07.89 Taylor Kruse movement. all right think so movement can be very challenging too for this type of person One of the things that we do. In training when. we are both testing but also trying to help a person that might have some of these findings.
01:17:23.83 Taylor Kruse is we do a lot of what's called bone rhythm. Training. In... Bone rhythm training is basically a fancy way to say coordination. So we have like a very specific coordination goal.
01:17:35.46 Taylor Kruse Usually it's actually with simple movements though. So teaching a person to squat properly to lunge properly. and looking at bony landmarks and teaching a person like what bones have to move forward. at the same time as what bones bones need to move backward.
01:17:50.100 Taylor Kruse To create. what is a balanced movement with shared load. So if you think about basic squatting. A person that has maybe thalamic issues and motor control problems can't figure out the timing.
01:18:04.63 Taylor Kruse And the rhythm that goes into performing a squat. So maybe they drive their knees forward too much at the beginning. then they run into their own ankle mobility limitations and they can't get into a squat.
01:18:16.20 Taylor Kruse Well that's a rhythm issue. Or sometimes you see people hinge at the hips. A lot. as they begin to squat and they descend into the squat but maybe their knees never move forward.
01:18:28.69 Taylor Kruse Right. And so they don't clear the right path. with the way that their bones move in rhythm with one another And those are... coordination issues.
01:18:40.32 Taylor Kruse So... Working with people. On bone rhythm? And I will literally put my hands on their body and say okay. Here's your greater trochanter. and here's the bottom of your femur.
01:18:55.72 Taylor Kruse And when you squat. I want the bottom of your femur to move. forwards and I want This end of the femur to move down and backwards.
01:19:07.33 Taylor Kruse and kind of get them to feel. how those points Move. Kind of. in opposition to one another. movements are initiated at the same time.
01:19:19.47 Taylor Kruse speed of movement is kind of balanced. right And those exact points actually arrive. at the end position at the same time. versus one getting there too soon.
01:19:30.44 Taylor Kruse Something like that. That's bone rhythm. and you have bone rhythms all over the place. you can look at scapular. And my humeral bone rhythms with the upper body you can look at.
01:19:41.95 Taylor Kruse femur bone rhythms all over the place. You can get very... nerdy and technical and look at the foot and the ankle There's bowing rhythms all over the place. and And sometimes... That type of work that's super focused on coordination can be really valuable for people that have.
01:19:58.56 Taylor Kruse possibly some of these dynamic issues. So I wanted to mention that and then um Obviously a loss of I had mentioned a loss of multiple contralateral sensations.
01:20:08.85 Taylor Kruse So that means sometimes sensory training can be really valuable. for these folks too. Um And here's the big one. Pain education.
01:20:19.99 Taylor Kruse Okay so...
01:20:20.30 Tony Fowler a
01:20:21.77 Taylor Kruse Changing a person's thalamic response. Must. include Pain education. Okay so... We know that pain is...
01:20:34.28 Taylor Kruse There's so many factors that affect pain right? previous experiences social factors cultural factors the way that you were brought up If your friend tells you... Don't do that. It will hurt your knees.
01:20:48.45 Taylor Kruse and you believe them You probably are going to. get some knee pain at some point if you try that or you're just not going to do it you're going to avoid it. Those types of things matter. being in pain a lot.
01:20:58.43 Tony Fowler yeah
01:21:00.46 Taylor Kruse you know experiencing pain. We talked about it making you better at experiencing pain. At some point... People need to learn. What pain is?
01:21:11.15 Taylor Kruse Why does it happen? Where does it come from? And I've had some really neat experiences. where just the threat bucket education was very useful in helping a person dismantle a pain experience.
01:21:24.56 Taylor Kruse Because they had no idea what pain was and where it came from and they didn't know that they actually had control over it. to some degree.
01:21:30.39 Tony Fowler Right.
01:21:31.49 Taylor Kruse Yeah to some degree. so pain education and this is why. You should be. teaching your clients this stuff. This is why the threat bucket. conversation is so valuable.
01:21:42.49 Taylor Kruse Remember most people that have a pain problem... when they go to the doctor and no one ever tells them what pain is and where it comes from and how it behaves. So most of the general population believes that when they have pain it's because they have damage. They associate it with damage and we know that's not always the case.
01:22:01.38 Taylor Kruse So this this education. is huge. at conditioning the thalamus. and your nervous system to not be as scared.
01:22:12.95 Taylor Kruse right with maybe certain movements or certain...
01:22:13.16 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:22:15.90 Taylor Kruse sensory inputs and it's just part of the process and It's important to say that it's a slow process most of the time. Yeah it's not when When I watch a client go through these changes
01:22:28.97 Taylor Kruse And I feel like they're becoming healthier. in these ways this is not something you see in a week. These are usually clients that I'm... I'm getting a lot of. work in with and follow up and i see this sort of this transformation taking place over several years
01:22:45.93 Tony Fowler Yeah I can certainly relate to that where... Now if I have... some kind of flare up or something. My first thought isn't. oh shit what did I do? It's more like hmm I wonder...
01:22:55.74 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
01:22:57.82 Tony Fowler Am I sleeping enough? Like am I?
01:22:58.92 Taylor Kruse Yeah exactly.
01:23:00.16 Tony Fowler Am I stressed?
01:23:01.37 Taylor Kruse Exactly.
01:23:01.08 Tony Fowler Do I need to do some knee circles? like
01:23:03.76 Taylor Kruse Yep.
01:23:04.06 Tony Fowler It's... it's It's a lot less anxiety inducing. which I imagine...
01:23:09.51 Taylor Kruse Totally.
01:23:09.77 Tony Fowler is helpful with not. increasing threat. Right.
01:23:12.67 Taylor Kruse Totally. Oh let me let me slide in one more before we... before we're out. um Obstacle courses.
01:23:20.44 Tony Fowler Hmm.
01:23:20.50 Taylor Kruse So going back to like the movement part of things what can you do with people?
01:23:22.51 Tony Fowler Okay.
01:23:24.87 Taylor Kruse that is very valuable for um the thalamus. obstacle courses because navigational work has been shown to activate the thalamus.
01:23:37.72 Taylor Kruse And so... This is one form of navigation where you can... do playful kind of obstacle courses where people have to Use. um their body in lots of different ways where no movement is really ever repeated they have to come up with ah a ah movement plan.
01:23:57.69 Taylor Kruse That is very interesting to get through a certain obstacle and in the process they have to do a lot of right-left discrimination between the right and the left side of their body which is also something that's been shown to involve the the thalamus and um kind of bone rhythm sort of falls in there too because it's it's such um
01:24:18.72 Taylor Kruse you know coordination work. But that's a... That's another reason to build a case for... The playful stuff the obstacle courses it's all... Very valuable.
01:24:37.63 Tony Fowler cool
01:24:37.86 Taylor Kruse All right there it is. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode on resilience training and the thalamus. At this point make sure that if you haven't seen the free masterclass that you go ahead and do so. You can find the links in the show notes. That masterclass that we...
01:24:56.04 Taylor Kruse that we have right now is on cranial nerves so you'll you'll pick up a lot of cool useful tools with cranial nerves that you can apply to movement and all the basic education is in that masterclass including the threat bucket as we mentioned so many times on today's episode Thank you guys so much for your support and we will be back soon.
