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00:00:00.79 Tony Fowler And we're rolling.
00:00:02.70 Taylor Kruse Hey welcome back to the Cruise Elite Podcast. What's up Tony?
00:00:06.00 Tony Fowler What's up Taylor? You've got a healthy glow on your skin.
00:00:10.37 Taylor Kruse Oh good good. um
00:00:12.03 Tony Fowler did you get Did you get some sun?
00:00:14.06 Taylor Kruse yeah i've been getting sun we're coming off of a uh Five-day camping trip.
00:00:18.81 Tony Fowler There you go.
00:00:19.42 Taylor Kruse And that was. that was nice so i Got to... You know get away from social media forced away from so social media because we didn't have service which is always a great perk to going camping in the middle of nowhere.
00:00:34.80 Taylor Kruse um Yeah so it was refreshing. we were we We had a great campsite. we We're joined by friends. We were right on a... little stream and the The swimming was great.
00:00:45.77 Taylor Kruse We got some sun. Yeah camp camp meals were excellent so.
00:00:50.79 Tony Fowler Ah.
00:00:50.99 Taylor Kruse It's good.
00:00:51.22 Tony Fowler Cooking on the fire.
00:00:52.72 Taylor Kruse yeah lots of cooking on the fire almost every night actually which is awesome
00:00:56.99 Tony Fowler So do you have one of those like gas burners?
00:00:59.52 Taylor Kruse Yeah I have a...
00:00:59.74 Tony Fowler Or do you just do a straight like fire pit?
00:01:02.43 Taylor Kruse So I have a small Coleman. you know stove that runs off propane and then we use the campfire as well so kind of combination and then our friends that we camp with have a much more extensive setup than than we do so it's great we have like
00:01:04.80 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:01:14.31 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:01:15.63 Taylor Kruse We have like three stoves going in between. us and them and then we we use the campfire when we can so yeah it's fun
00:01:23.26 Tony Fowler I got a – because I had gotten like a – some camping like cookware.
00:01:27.48 Taylor Kruse uh-huh
00:01:28.28 Tony Fowler And usually it's made out of like a this wasn't the Um Was it titanium stuff?
00:01:34.45 Taylor Kruse Mm hmm.
00:01:35.11 Tony Fowler uh but it's like lightweight metal and it just i don't know it just doesn't cook very evenly or like
00:01:39.65 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:01:40.44 Tony Fowler And so I got like a tiny little. like five inch cast iron skillet. to bring with me camping and like you could do one egg at a time you know
00:01:46.93 Taylor Kruse Nice. Yeah yeah. yeah
00:01:49.47 Tony Fowler Uh Oh but man that thing's awesome.
00:01:52.14 Taylor Kruse That's great. That's great. Yeah after this podcast we're we're going up north actually for a short getaway.
00:01:55.32 Tony Fowler You...
00:02:01.12 Taylor Kruse Yeah not camping this is we're just fortunate to have some friends that have a A second home. In. northern part of the state. and we're gonna go up there for a couple days we're just trying to cram it in while we can you know
00:02:14.02 Tony Fowler Yeah. Yeah no that's great. I uh... I encourage you to do that when you can. August is...
00:02:20.48 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:02:20.79 Tony Fowler A good month to do that because ah come September and through the holidays I feel like it's always a sprint at least on my end.
00:02:27.24 Taylor Kruse I know and um and I feel that pressure because... You know right now we're trying to cram it all in because come September I'm i'm teaching again. We're jumping right into the neurodojo.
00:02:34.81 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:02:36.72 Taylor Kruse September 1st and it's going to get crazy. And before that yeah we've got we've got a lot of work to do to prep.
00:02:45.11 Tony Fowler Okay.
00:02:45.62 Taylor Kruse So it's coming quick.
00:02:45.91 Tony Fowler Okay. Well super exciting. You also sent me Some pictures you took. Um
00:02:53.59 Taylor Kruse Oh right yeah.
00:02:54.27 Tony Fowler You've got a macro lens right?
00:02:56.12 Taylor Kruse yeah i got a macro so over the winter when we were talking i ended up getting a uh a nice pretty nice camera sony camera a couple of lenses. Now I know and i know nothing about photography. and I...
00:03:09.02 Taylor Kruse In my mind I was saying and out loud To Alicia I was saying I'm going to get. Finally I'm gonna get a professional camera. It's for work I swear.
00:03:20.17 Tony Fowler Yeah we're using this for the YouTube.
00:03:20.07 Taylor Kruse I'm going to make content.
00:03:22.51 Tony Fowler uh-huh
00:03:22.74 Taylor Kruse Yeah this is going to be for YouTube. And then I kind of. Learned that my lifestyle right now... and where we live doesn't really work. for professional like studio grade type of stuff because When I film content
00:03:39.75 Taylor Kruse It's like. Okay ready set go it's it's not we can't really plan the timing.
00:03:47.61 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:03:47.82 Taylor Kruse because of parent responsibilities.
00:03:50.11 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:03:50.52 Taylor Kruse And right now our daughter is not in school. So... Setting up a professional camera. with professional lighting. Just isn't gonna work out right now but in our next place it will when we when we buy a home We'll have a...
00:04:06.70 Taylor Kruse We'll have a studio. But we don't have that right now. so
00:04:09.40 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:04:09.95 Taylor Kruse I film right out of my living room and it's whenever I can get it in. So that camera quickly became. my hobbyist you know toy for starting to learn how to. how to do more photography which I've always been interested in.
00:04:24.44 Taylor Kruse I know nothing about but it's been a fun. experience so far.
00:04:28.61 Tony Fowler Yeah and that's how I got into cameras too was just getting stuff for the podcast set up. And then next thing you know I'm researching lenses.
00:04:33.01 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:04:35.04 Tony Fowler and
00:04:35.96 Taylor Kruse Yeah yeah but I...
00:04:36.56 Tony Fowler Oh man it's a slippery slope.
00:04:36.93 Taylor Kruse So so we were... so yeah so real quick right back to what you were saying so we were out hiking along or just kind of like it wasn't hiking we were just rock hopping around the stream that we were camping on. and I ended up spotting this like cool little.
00:04:52.65 Taylor Kruse Spider. which I later learned was... Um I think they call them like an American green crab or so American crab spider green crab spider something like that.
00:05:00.74 Tony Fowler Hmm.
00:05:02.40 Taylor Kruse And I was just messing around taking photos of the thing with the macro lens. Because I have just recently gained a little bit of... Knowledge. It's hard to even call it knowledge. I'm really playing a guessing game here with settings on my camera.
00:05:14.88 Tony Fowler Hmm.
00:05:15.72 Taylor Kruse but I learned a few things that helped me.
00:05:18.54 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:05:20.15 Taylor Kruse Just create more stabilization for the camera because when you're using the macro lens It's tough and I wasn't using a tripod and that's where things get really tricky Anyway... I fired off a bunch of...
00:05:31.28 Taylor Kruse you know. Pictures on this cool little spider and ended up getting two really cool ones that actually focused. Those are the ones I sent you
00:05:38.44 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:05:39.19 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:05:39.54 Tony Fowler Yeah no those are so cool and the spider is like this like neon translucent
00:05:44.42 Taylor Kruse It's like... Yeah.
00:05:45.50 Tony Fowler Green. It's like this bright.
00:05:47.49 Taylor Kruse It's crazy. Yeah.
00:05:48.51 Tony Fowler neon green and its eyes are like little red dots.
00:05:51.51 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:05:52.20 Tony Fowler And... Man. that you can see all the detail like if you zoom in on the mouth and stuff
00:05:57.41 Taylor Kruse Yeah yeah it's neat.
00:05:58.28 Tony Fowler So really really well done. and What got me was that the depth. Depth of focus. Uh
00:06:04.52 Taylor Kruse It was decent.
00:06:04.15 Tony Fowler It was pretty shallow.
00:06:05.73 Taylor Kruse Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:06.05 Tony Fowler So what that means is like the background's a little blurred out but then like the the center where the spider is is super sharp. And like.
00:06:13.87 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:06:15.10 Tony Fowler It's easy to get that wrong you know.
00:06:17.31 Taylor Kruse I got it mostly wrong.
00:06:17.81 Tony Fowler Um
00:06:18.100 Taylor Kruse like I took a lot of photos yeah.
00:06:23.45 Tony Fowler That's awesome. well I think it's so cool. at your that you're able to get out and do this and that you're exploring. you know other hobbies that aren't strictly work related although all of that experience is going to come back and help you when you're filming.
00:06:34.00 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:06:37.74 Taylor Kruse Good point.
00:06:38.07 Tony Fowler um
00:06:38.71 Taylor Kruse Good point.
00:06:39.06 Tony Fowler it's all It's all just familiarity with the tools.
00:06:41.82 Taylor Kruse Good point.
00:06:43.72 Tony Fowler Um... Yeah i guess I guess I don't have as exciting news to report except that I am juggling with beanbags now.
00:06:52.13 Taylor Kruse Oh really?
00:06:52.20 Tony Fowler Um Yeah yeah. So I got some beanbags. And... I actually think it's easier than the scarves in a way.
00:06:59.65 Taylor Kruse Uh-huh.
00:06:59.79 Tony Fowler but the scarves slowing slowing down helped me like Get the muscle memory so like i'm I'm starting to get some reps in now like I can think my my PR is like 30 something
00:07:10.08 Taylor Kruse Really?
00:07:10.80 Tony Fowler Throws. um
00:07:11.69 Taylor Kruse Nice!
00:07:12.71 Tony Fowler But normally it's sort more like around 10. 10 to 15 or something. Um...
00:07:18.13 Taylor Kruse That's a great skill to have that's awesome
00:07:20.67 Tony Fowler but yeah it it happened kind of fast you know and so now i'm just trying to like get more get more reps in. And the fun thing about the beanbags is I got the... You know have you ever played like bags?
00:07:31.86 Tony Fowler I think a lot of people call it cornhole.
00:07:34.31 Taylor Kruse Yep.
00:07:34.25 Tony Fowler Howdy. um But I got those bags. And they're a little bit heavier. And I'm actually feeling like a little stimulus in my fingers from like grabbing and snatching and like just doing the reps.
00:07:46.31 Taylor Kruse Sure.
00:07:48.13 Tony Fowler And so it's just it's just kind of. it's kind of cool like i wouldn't expect They're not heavy. I wouldn't expect to feel any sort of... strength stimulus from juggling
00:07:58.79 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:08:00.37 Tony Fowler but I am a little bit. I don't know if it's just the... like the awkward angles and the the polls and stuff.
00:08:03.88 Taylor Kruse That's pretty cool. Yeah.
00:08:07.26 Tony Fowler Um
00:08:07.32 Taylor Kruse that's awesome such a good skill
00:08:08.39 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:08:09.40 Taylor Kruse That's a great way to... We call it an integrated drill.
00:08:13.09 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:08:12.98 Taylor Kruse So there's lots of input. proprioceptive input visual input Even vestibular input as you're moving your head. and As you progress you can learn how to juggle while walking right and add in even more vestibular input It's a great skill.
00:08:29.58 Tony Fowler Yeah. I'm wondering because some days you know it's like it just. comes out of me and it's like i'm i'm in a flow state And then some days. it's It's very hard. And I'm like.
00:08:39.95 Taylor Kruse That is very... typical with anything that's very just very neurologically demanding.
00:08:47.13 Tony Fowler mm-hmm
00:08:47.59 Taylor Kruse Or anything that's very reflexive. you know so we see a lot of fluctuation in things that require fluctuation meaning like your level of performance that day or in that moment
00:09:00.69 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:09:01.72 Taylor Kruse anything that requires a lot of Um vision. right competency. We see that kind of fluctuation in balance. We see that kind of fluctuation in breathing. Actually.
00:09:14.54 Taylor Kruse Yeah so it's interesting and you can kind of get familiar with where you are with a certain skill like that that's very demanding and it gives you feedback right to your performance and your health in the moment.
00:09:27.74 Tony Fowler Yeah. That that was literally as what I was singing because I grabbed the beanbags while I was uh Getting ready for this episode. And I was like man I'm sucking right now.
00:09:38.84 Tony Fowler And I wonder if it's just like I... You know I don't. I don't wake up that. that early. And so I'm wondering I'm like am I just not? Am I just not ready for my day yet? Is this is this a good assessment?
00:09:49.80 Tony Fowler for me to see how i will be i can perform in any given moment you know
00:09:49.79 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:09:53.10 Taylor Kruse Right right right. It is. It really it it could be.
00:09:57.18 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:09:57.75 Taylor Kruse You know Hey Tony I'm getting a bunch of echo I want to deal with because I'm realizing that the second microphone is on
00:10:04.33 Tony Fowler Oh. Good call.
00:10:04.85 Taylor Kruse Or it's it's taking in because I'm hearing every little ruckus from downstairs. Let me just deal with that.
00:10:10.16 Tony Fowler Yeah. Yeah. um
00:10:14.52 Taylor Kruse is there Is there a fast way to deal with that with just a switch?
00:10:22.83 Tony Fowler Sadly I don't think you have a mute button. um which some preamps do like mine does but
00:10:25.72 Taylor Kruse Okay.
00:10:27.88 Taylor Kruse So I could just simply unplug unplug it.
00:10:30.33 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:10:30.93 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:10:31.22 Tony Fowler Yeah unplug's fine.
00:10:42.64 Taylor Kruse Yeah I'm surprised I didn't catch that um Is that working?
00:10:48.20 Tony Fowler Yeah I can hear you.
00:10:49.20 Taylor Kruse It...
00:10:55.93 Taylor Kruse Okay we should be good now. I was just... I don't know. I guess I had that plugged in again from when we thought we were going to be on with Alicia but then. But then we weren't.
00:11:06.49 Tony Fowler Oh okay
00:11:07.91 Taylor Kruse Yeah. So that should be better.
00:11:09.93 Tony Fowler Cool.
00:11:10.58 Taylor Kruse You might have to edit out the door slamming.
00:11:10.95 Tony Fowler Cool.
00:11:12.59 Taylor Kruse and All the ruckus I was hearing. I don't know.
00:11:15.18 Tony Fowler Yeah i didn't I didn't hear anything but but yeah.
00:11:16.06 Taylor Kruse Or not.
00:11:17.42 Tony Fowler um
00:11:18.40 Taylor Kruse Good.
00:11:19.16 Tony Fowler Good to get to check and then you're You're only hearing me through the speakers right? not Through the headphones right? Not the speakers?
00:11:25.88 Taylor Kruse Correct yeah
00:11:26.64 Tony Fowler Okay. Just making sure. um Awesome man. Well let's let's dive into the topic for today.
00:11:34.43 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:11:34.92 Tony Fowler Um We talk so much about how to be. a ah practitioner. you know uh a coach.
00:11:43.37 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:11:44.05 Tony Fowler Uh... manual therapists sometimes but basically how to use applied neurology to help. other people And I thought we might.
00:11:54.63 Tony Fowler kind of flip the scenario around and talk about How to be a good recipient. of applied neurology and how to be a good client.
00:12:01.59 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:12:04.46 Tony Fowler to someone that is integrating applied neurology maybe they're your coach or your physical therapist or your massage therapist or whatever it might be right What can you do as a client?
00:12:16.03 Tony Fowler um to Get the best results. to be the best client that you can be right?
00:12:22.12 Taylor Kruse Yeah I thought this was a really clever idea that you came up with
00:12:27.01 Tony Fowler So... ah You know. To start off I guess... Maybe we can start general and then zoom in a little bit. um But you know you've been ah a strength coach a wrestling coach.
00:12:39.75 Tony Fowler I'm sure you've done a bunch of other things. that I don't even know about. But. What makes... being an applied neurology client. different from kind of some of these other Trainee.
00:12:54.36 Tony Fowler student kind of experiences.
00:12:57.06 Taylor Kruse Hmm.
00:12:59.43 Taylor Kruse Well it's immediately different. Because everything you're going to be... doing is going to seem weird. Right it's just not it's just not the norm you know so when you're When you're going to be a client and you're doing applied neuro stuff you...
00:13:22.26 Taylor Kruse You have to... understand that you are not necessarily fully going to understand. How?
00:13:32.76 Taylor Kruse Doing something like a vision drill. could help you with your hip pain. you won't really be able to make those connections if you don't have... you know previous education on the nervous system. in the brain And most people don't.
00:13:46.67 Taylor Kruse right Most people don't. No or they've never thought. We're taking the time to... think about how movement comes from the brain.
00:13:58.19 Taylor Kruse We... We typically just think movement comes from muscles. and I think a lot of people feel like muscles have a mind of their own. But that's not how it works muscles actually get information and they get their orders from Higher order systems all the systems that we're always talking about
00:14:16.19 Taylor Kruse Movement comes from the brain. And... When you're first becoming a client and you're doing applied neuro. you will get taken on a journey that's very... different from your typical experience let's say with physical therapy where you go into physical therapy traditional physical therapy and your shoulder hurts Well you're probably going to do shoulder exercises.
00:14:39.58 Taylor Kruse Right? And that makes sense to a lot of people. Because the shoulder seems like... The problem. And for the general population... If your shoulder hurts
00:14:50.35 Taylor Kruse Well they assume that there's damage to the shoulder. or mechanically something's not working properly with the shoulder and that may be true. but also might not be true. And so.
00:15:01.94 Taylor Kruse There's so many other ways to... approach a shoulder issue then... local exercise to the area or local. Stimulation of some kind maybe a manual therapy.
00:15:14.99 Taylor Kruse you know as there's more you know people do traditional physical therapy and sometimes they're getting some sort of tissue worked on on that shoulder or they're getting some kind of Technique done.
00:15:26.21 Taylor Kruse you know like scraping dry needling. You know ice. Heat. Whatever the case might be. Those are all localized therapies.
00:15:36.34 Taylor Kruse right and when you get into
00:15:36.45 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:15:38.40 Taylor Kruse Applied Neuro Assuming you're doing good applied neuro. The whole body. and the brain is involved in the approach. And that's what's really neat about it.
00:15:49.30 Taylor Kruse So you can... Find yourself doing things that seem... unrelated if you don't know those connections Doing stuff with your eyes doing stuff with your inner ear Gosh.
00:16:00.80 Taylor Kruse doing proprioceptive exercises with your feet. Right. And all of a sudden. Hey that shoulder feels better. That's weird. Alright well it's not that weird.
00:16:12.16 Taylor Kruse when you start to look into the neurology.
00:16:14.90 Tony Fowler here Um... What are some similarities with other forms of like coaching? relationships. relationships
00:16:27.77 Taylor Kruse Whoa there's a lot of similarities Actually. so Aside from... you know getting away from the actual techniques that are being used in the exercises.
00:16:40.40 Taylor Kruse The approach that needs to be taken... with the coach or the practitioner. or the therapist whatever we're gonna Call it. is similar in the fact that You need to build rapport.
00:16:55.18 Taylor Kruse Between one another. right you have to have the relationship with the coach or the practitioner That helps. you You need to follow a process. You need to trust that process.
00:17:06.91 Taylor Kruse You need to be open to receiving. Coaching. All right You need to be in the right. moment or place in your life to take on.
00:17:19.88 Taylor Kruse The experience. Right? There's a lot of things like that. When you're getting help from... from a coach of some kind. that are all very similar. And you need to have consistency.
00:17:32.08 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:17:32.05 Taylor Kruse you need to do some of the work on your own All right All those things are the same.
00:17:38.95 Tony Fowler Mm hmm. Um yeah so i'm getting i'm getting like you know open-mindedness
00:17:44.69 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:17:44.96 Tony Fowler willingness to engage. wholeheartedly with the process and with the with the coach.
00:17:50.36 Taylor Kruse That's right.
00:17:50.79 Tony Fowler or practitioner. Um... So... On day one. you know i'm I'm a client and I'm meeting with you for the for the very first day.
00:18:03.89 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:18:05.11 Tony Fowler How can I prepare for that? best.
00:18:10.01 Taylor Kruse Hmm.
00:18:11.08 Tony Fowler or Or what should I have in mind? you know as ah as I'm meeting with you.
00:18:15.03 Taylor Kruse Okay I like that. So... If assuming you're going to work with a good. practitioner. Okay let's let's let's put that out there first.
00:18:26.18 Tony Fowler Hmm.
00:18:26.87 Taylor Kruse There's good practitioners. There is not so good practitioners. Right. If you're going to be a client. and work with somebody you wanna make sure you're in the right place. All right you want to make sure that you're going to work with somebody good.
00:18:40.43 Taylor Kruse I'm changing your question a little bit at the moment but how do you know you're...
00:18:42.99 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:18:44.05 Taylor Kruse with somebody good. right because So far in my experience. Yeah. There's more not so good practitioners out there than there are actual good ones. And so we got to look out for that.
00:18:56.12 Taylor Kruse so kind of Making sure you're in the right place is important and I think that... Circling back to the way you asked it. How do you what can you expect?
00:19:09.17 Taylor Kruse And kind of how do you know you're... in the right place well First... The communication and people skills of the coach.
00:19:19.98 Taylor Kruse is Always a... Giveaway usually to how the process is going to be Right? And... Here's a big one.
00:19:32.85 Taylor Kruse Did they take a history? Right? Because you should. You should expect that. All right and and this is a big pet peeve of mine for the industries.
00:19:47.68 Taylor Kruse Right. Whether we're talking health or fitness. Most people don't get their history taken. They just don't. And I'm not talking about a history like you're signing off on a waiver.
00:20:00.02 Taylor Kruse That says okay if I happen to keel over during this time with you it's not your fault And by the way heart disease runs in my family. I'm not talking about that as a history. What I'm talking about is a conversation.
00:20:13.98 Taylor Kruse between the coach and the client. That. Actually. discusses their Health history. things that they have dealt with in the past whether it's injuries or Health. concerns The big things even the little things matter.
00:20:34.00 Taylor Kruse And you should expect your history to be taken. And here's what I want our listeners to... know especially if you're trying to. find a good practitioner to work with.
00:20:46.22 Taylor Kruse When a practitioner does not take your history... I can almost guarantee you... you are in the wrong place. Almost yeah. Yep.
00:20:57.09 Taylor Kruse If they're not taking your history. I question whether or not they are going to be a good practitioner. And that's important for you know our students who are going to be listening to this podcast. And we talk about this all the time.
00:21:10.61 Taylor Kruse in the in our membership and courses. If you're not taking a thorough history... you're You're doing yourself and your client a huge disservice. it It is everything.
00:21:25.04 Taylor Kruse So expect to get your history taken and if... Nobody takes your history. Consider. Finding a different coach. Because in neuro... You can draw so much information.
00:21:38.42 Taylor Kruse out of the health history. I'll tell a quick story. Because it happened yesterday. In our membership. which is ah an area something that we don't advertise or anything but we have a a membership that.
00:21:52.07 Taylor Kruse our students when they come through our courses can decide to be a part of if they want to continue their education. And we do all sorts of really cool things inside the membership. And one of the things that we've been starting to do that has been a big hit is we do mini sessions where i come in live with one of our students and I take them through a virtual session. while everybody else shadows.
00:22:14.50 Taylor Kruse It's been really popular. Because they... Get to see the process. right because we do a lot of discussion around things but seeing it as something different and Lately we've been doing these mini sessions and people have been shadowing the history taking process.
00:22:30.78 Taylor Kruse which is very useful. And. then after that if there's time we start to go into drills and stuff and Anyway what I'm getting at is...
00:22:42.13 Taylor Kruse I took like a 40 45 minute history with one of our students yesterday. Not planned. That's just what happened. because there was things to discuss. and things to learn.
00:22:51.88 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:22:53.43 Taylor Kruse And then I looked at the clock. after that 45 minute history and i was like oh shoot i got 15 minutes Can I really accomplish? Anything in 15 minutes.
00:23:03.98 Taylor Kruse But I had learned so much from the history. I had a couple of ideas. the person's goal was to Get some help with a chronic neck. issue that had developed somewhat recently.
00:23:17.11 Taylor Kruse And they had a lot of neck tension and pain So I took the history. And. Checked a lot of boxes. a lot of question marks kind of came up from the history and just by gathering that information i had one idea One idea.
00:23:32.85 Taylor Kruse before running any Like. crazy tests or anything. We did look at gate. And... At this point now with about eight minutes left on the clock.
00:23:45.36 Taylor Kruse I said okay. um You know that scar? that you mentioned on your abdomen? Put your hands on the scar. And I want you to recheck your neck So she touched her own scar. She rechecked her neck.
00:23:58.66 Taylor Kruse and her range of motion was a little bit better. So then I took her through something we call directional testing where I had her tractioning the skin in different directions and we tested each direction. And we found that.
00:24:10.67 Taylor Kruse down tractioning the skin down and right. on her abdomen around this scar improved her neck range of motion and it decreased the pain. And then I took what I learned from...
00:24:23.13 Taylor Kruse That directional testing. And I created her one exercise. that did exactly the same thing to the tissue. meaning that it traction the tissue in that direction We had done some previous gate testing.
00:24:37.89 Taylor Kruse where I figured out that she had some left cerebellar issues. Or needs. I wouldn't even call them issues. They were needs.
00:24:44.97 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:24:45.26 Taylor Kruse She was less coordinated. okay So I constructed one exercise. that Through her history i could see it would be important to do some localized.
00:24:58.46 Taylor Kruse tissue work on her abdomen. from this scar. And then I included her cerebellar needs into the exercise that I created. where now she was getting the same skin tractioning but she was doing some sort of complex nonlinear movement with the left side of her body.
00:25:13.67 Taylor Kruse at the same time We did all this in about eight minutes. Okay retested her neck And. She had restored a lot of range of motion and the pain was not there anymore.
00:25:25.73 Taylor Kruse And that was after a 40 45 minute history. I made one decision. Without. a lot of doing a lot of other stuff first and then we were able to come to that conclusion of the session where she got one extremely high payoff exercise to now begin to practice for homework.
00:25:45.24 Tony Fowler the
00:25:46.17 Taylor Kruse And the reason I'm sharing that is because when you when you get good at this work You realize that the the mystery is in the history. and that the history itself can actually be more valuable than even your initial assessments to learn about their function.
00:26:01.66 Taylor Kruse And that's that's what happened yesterday which was really cool for everybody to see.
00:26:06.31 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:26:07.00 Taylor Kruse So history. it's It's important. Is your history being taken? If it is you're you might be in the right place. If it's not... I would question whether or not... you're in the right place.
00:26:18.47 Tony Fowler Mm hmm. Is it? Is that something to expect? like first session We're taking a huge history. Or is this something that could happen over time?
00:26:28.63 Taylor Kruse So it's it's both.
00:26:28.95 Tony Fowler Um
00:26:30.55 Taylor Kruse It's both. so
00:26:35.90 Taylor Kruse year You should expect to have... some level of your history taken on day one. And it won't include everything. for several reasons because Usually the person doesn't remember everything but also when you're beginning to get involved in neuro work.
00:26:53.23 Taylor Kruse The client doesn't yet understand that all the details are important. because nobody has ever wanted the details before. So you might not the client may not share everything just because it's not coming into their mind But then what happens is as you build a relationship with the coach and you start doing all these weird things And you start getting really engaged in.
00:27:15.78 Taylor Kruse the session and change is happening Usually then people say oh did I ever tell you this? Did I ever tell you that? And so history taking becomes...
00:27:26.37 Taylor Kruse this process that is ongoing. There's that initial day one history taking that should be happening. But then there's like... small little history-taking sessions that happen. every single session and that's great as a coach because you you're having follow-up.
00:27:45.84 Taylor Kruse with your client. And the more follow-up you get and the more you get to know them you get to see their behavior. which also is a history in itself but they don't know that.
00:27:57.09 Taylor Kruse tells you stuff about their brain. and then they're offering new information. And you're you're taking the behavior you're taking the new information. you're bringing that into the whole you know equation you're bringing in the initial history and then you have function You're looking at their gait. You're looking at them performing the exercises.
00:28:17.91 Taylor Kruse and the testing that you're doing. And as this. is all unfolding over time. man you're getting a lot of information to work with and that's going to help you be more accurate and make.
00:28:29.98 Taylor Kruse Better decisions about what to do. and and help everything happen quicker.
00:28:36.07 Tony Fowler So in terms of preparation maybe something... a new client could do is just think about their own. health history their own training history.
00:28:43.63 Taylor Kruse Definitely.
00:28:45.03 Tony Fowler Um and And you know they might not know.
00:28:45.11 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:28:48.25 Tony Fowler Exactly what. is relevant or what's important. But maybe you have some guidelines that could. that could be helpful like what kind of stuff Might they be? thinking about and flagging for their for their practitioner
00:29:01.21 Taylor Kruse So the most important things. you know I always... In our courses and stuff we talk about history taking and I say hey use the person as the as the visual because as a coach I can look at my client and I can start up at their head.
00:29:14.07 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:29:13.85 Taylor Kruse and i can ask a series of questions and their body is prompting me for each question But as the... as the client Yeah we we want to know things like you know have you ever had a concussion?
00:29:27.82 Taylor Kruse Do you have anything going on with your eyes? you know Do you wear corrective lenses? Have you ever had injuries to your eyes? Is there anything that you know of going on with your inner ear? Usually the client only knows the word vertigo.
00:29:41.54 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:29:41.72 Taylor Kruse um So you have to expand when you're trying to ask a client questions about their vestibular system. you may The coach may be asking about like hey do you have any known balance issues? Have you ever had vertigo? Do you get motion sickness in the car? or on amusement park rides things like that.
00:29:59.99 Taylor Kruse So a history on all the high order stuff from the neck up.
00:30:04.75 Tony Fowler Hmm.
00:30:05.36 Taylor Kruse you can think about this from the neck up right now is very valuable for the coach. neck injuries Um issues with breathing. Speech. Tongue mechanics.
00:30:18.06 Taylor Kruse Um As I said eyes inner ear dental is a big one.
00:30:22.73 Tony Fowler Hmm.
00:30:23.04 Taylor Kruse a lot of people have had weird dental things happen dental surgeries gone wrong or they had Very. intense response. Some people have implants that matters.
00:30:34.86 Taylor Kruse uh yeah that that that's really good the neck up history is a good way to think about it um head injuries whether it is a concussion or scars on the head. are are good to tell your coach about because...
00:30:47.79 Taylor Kruse you know if if you have hair you can't see them All right so we have to be told about them. Sometimes. And then from there thinking about the midline of the body is always really important. so More history on the spine Any injuries?
00:31:03.66 Taylor Kruse pain. all the way down to the pelvis. That's a great place to start for thinking about history. the middle of the body. tells us so much.
00:31:15.09 Tony Fowler You also mentioned a scar. in the example that you brought up with like surgeries or scars in general.
00:31:18.84 Taylor Kruse Yep.
00:31:22.57 Tony Fowler regardless of where they are be worth mentioning.
00:31:25.49 Taylor Kruse Yeah any scar is worth mentioning because scars... disrupt motor control. right they make the Communication. Between the brain and the body.
00:31:36.84 Taylor Kruse Blurry. Right? Let's say. Scars really matter. now Not all scars. right some of them for whatever reason. Happened to be kind of negligible.
00:31:47.74 Taylor Kruse right but some are so important. You wouldn't believe it. Until you see it. It's unbelievable. It really is. Um I remember I was working with a...
00:32:00.74 Taylor Kruse 17 year old football player. who had had several ACL. Injuries and reconstruction. He had been to all the top physical therapists because he had chronic... ah Chronic tight hamstring on that side.
00:32:15.52 Taylor Kruse No one could help him. These are the best supposed to be the best. They're working with the Red Sox. It's in the Boston area. They're working with all the top people. No one could help them with a tight hamstring So he came to see me as the last coach of course as it usually ends up being.
00:32:31.06 Taylor Kruse And I took a long history. And then I Um I said has anybody ever worked on your scar? You've had two knee surgeries. He said no not really. I mean.
00:32:42.27 Taylor Kruse One time somebody scraped it but... That was just once. Okay. So... Point to your tension on your hamstring Okay it's right there. Show me.
00:32:53.28 Taylor Kruse Let's look at like... uh a hip hinge and a forward bend And you tell me how that feels. Okay I can't move any farther. I'm feeling very tight. I used to be able to bend over and put my palms on the floor.
00:33:05.34 Taylor Kruse And now he's bending over and his fingertips are... like mid shin. Not good. You don't want to be A football player that. you know. You can't touch your toes.
00:33:16.86 Taylor Kruse I said okay well. We're going to start with something that I feel is important. We're going to start with your scar. Before I do anything there I'm just going to do what's called pressure checking. Pressure checking is a technique where you touch an area of the body and you retest something. And if you get a good response it's giving you a clue.
00:33:33.95 Taylor Kruse that the brain and nervous system may be interested in you working in that area. Because you're giving it... You're giving. input.
00:33:41.92 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:33:41.85 Taylor Kruse to that area and if the input is well received It tells you okay. maybe this area is a good place to work so I took my index finger. And I just touched his scar.
00:33:54.06 Taylor Kruse Lightly. I said can you feel this? He said yeah I can feel that. I said okay. Bend over. and he put his palms on the floor. And him and his dad were... Mind blown. Right? And this happens all the time with scars.
00:34:07.30 Tony Fowler Hmm.
00:34:07.66 Taylor Kruse And every scar. is worth checking. And so I got a big clue in the moment that that scar. really needed input. All right and we had them. We had his palms on the floor so fast permanently it was ridiculous.
00:34:21.38 Tony Fowler yeah
00:34:21.76 Taylor Kruse um I put a little piece of Kinesio tape on that scar that and I ended up directional testing it like I described earlier. and we traction the skin and the direction that was working best for him.
00:34:33.80 Taylor Kruse He went home did some homework exercises like knee circles with the tape on. He came back his palms were on the floor and that was that. We moved on to other goals. He had full range of motion back. No top physical therapist in our area. could help them with that tight hamstring.
00:34:49.25 Taylor Kruse and and all it took was touching the scar to figure out what needed to happen. So scars. are so important And I have found scars that... Hmm. They didn't really help much.
00:35:00.49 Taylor Kruse kind of negligible But a lot of times when it's a larger scar. Or... A scar that had a lot of there's different types of scars.
00:35:11.45 Taylor Kruse you know you have long incisions and Some scars can be more superficial. Some can... directly affect deeper layers of connective tissue. like a C-section scar that I talked about. Those are very serious scars. They always should be worked with.
00:35:28.59 Taylor Kruse Um Some scars are penetrating scars. Right? Where it's not a long incision or anything but it's it's deep. Alright those are very important to to check to But yes if you can think of any scars on your body that might be significant tell your coach about those because those need to be checked.
00:35:45.83 Taylor Kruse At some point if you have a complaint of some kind. Scars can... go a long way.
00:35:52.04 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:35:54.60 Tony Fowler So you mentioned like a... drills that... that they can do on their own like homework.
00:36:00.06 Taylor Kruse Homework.
00:36:01.13 Tony Fowler um Let's talk about homework because...
00:36:02.94 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:36:03.14 Tony Fowler I think in a lot of. uh like physical therapy or actually let me Not safe. so I think in a lot of like a massage therapy or like that type of ah manual techniques.
00:36:13.47 Taylor Kruse Mm hmm.
00:36:16.33 Tony Fowler You might not get homework. You might just show up and get. you know uh get ah massaged or or whatever it is right?
00:36:25.81 Taylor Kruse Yep.
00:36:25.87 Tony Fowler um but then with like strength and conditioning it's all homework essentially right
00:36:29.85 Taylor Kruse Right. Right.
00:36:31.34 Tony Fowler So what's the balance here with with applied neurology usually?
00:36:35.25 Taylor Kruse Okay that's a great question. You need to expect... that you're going to have to do the work on your own.
00:36:41.92 Tony Fowler Hmm.
00:36:42.25 Taylor Kruse You have to. In fact if you have a goal... Athletical. Movement goal. getting at a pain goal. And you're not giving homework?
00:36:53.72 Taylor Kruse you need to question if you're in the right place again. This is verified. Like if you want to create. Plastic change in the brain. and physiologic change in the body.
00:37:06.39 Taylor Kruse you have to do work Now let me say this there are some instances and this is going to happen To our neuro you know coaches out there you're gonna do a drill.
00:37:19.48 Taylor Kruse You're gonna teach someone a drill and this is gonna happen as the client You might have this experience where your neuro coach teaches you some seemingly simple vision drill. And 10 years of pain goes away.
00:37:31.71 Taylor Kruse It never comes back. after like one or two sets. This happens more frequently than you would think and it's crazy when it does and I cannot explain it. It'd be fun to explain but it's not even worth it.
00:37:44.12 Taylor Kruse because it's too complex and we don't really know what happened. in the brain So we have simple ways to describe it. right where the novelty and the decreasing of the threat and all that stuff you hear us talking about on the podcast.
00:37:57.10 Taylor Kruse That takes place providing the right input. That happens. You shouldn't expect that. That's not... I don't think that should be the goal but we slap high fives and we're excited when it happens because it means we can move on to other things right?
00:38:13.48 Taylor Kruse But you have to expect to do the work. And. A more typical situation is that you're going to have to be assigned homework. So you as the client you're going to have to go home. You're going to have to put in the work.
00:38:26.76 Taylor Kruse It's going to be daily work. Right. So like often as a coach I am. suggesting to my clients that they use a technique called microdosing. If we're trying to deal with pain.
00:38:38.86 Taylor Kruse Specifically. where I might have let's say two or three exercises that we found in session that helped them. And I have them go home and I say okay I'd like you to practice those daily.
00:38:50.51 Taylor Kruse If... possible. And rather than thinking about spending 20 minutes doing this routine. I would rather you spend 20 seconds. Or two minutes. But.
00:39:01.83 Taylor Kruse I want you to do that. five to ten times in a day. That's micro dosing. So it's very low volume. It's high frequency. and it's daily And this is happening. as often as you can really and that is a wonderful way Initially. to decrease threat.
00:39:23.74 Taylor Kruse And it can really catapult people in the right direction. for for dealing with pain and movement problems. So you have to expect to do the work because without... stressing the body.
00:39:34.95 Taylor Kruse and providing the input. to the brain and nervous system you can't expect long-term change. But again... It's fun when you do something and it happened to be so powerful. that You can move on to other...
00:39:50.45 Taylor Kruse Other goals because. For some reason... You're good after. a very short amount of time
00:39:58.18 Tony Fowler Yeah. Talk about motivation right? Like you do you do something.
00:40:01.41 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:40:01.67 Tony Fowler and all of a sudden your pain decreases and your mobility increases and you feel better.
00:40:06.96 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:40:07.27 Tony Fowler I mean that's that's nice.
00:40:09.29 Taylor Kruse And that's you know that's a big part of this experience too.
00:40:08.96 Tony Fowler That's nice.
00:40:13.14 Taylor Kruse Because a good neuro coach is going to bridge the client into the process. And this is going to be new. for the client. because any client who's been around and done...
00:40:23.84 Taylor Kruse you know worked with other people and done other therapies assuming they're all kind of traditional. we'll say. Nobody really involved them in the process. That's just that's what it is. And so a good neuro coach is going to involve you in the process where I mean it's if you're learning from me.
00:40:42.48 Taylor Kruse What I teach. our students is that you're going to Teach the client. Some form of assessment process on day one. We talk about the assessment process constantly right?
00:40:56.01 Taylor Kruse And that assessment process has kind of two goals. One of those goals is obviously to mark progress. in session. for both of you. The other goal of the assessment process initially...
00:41:09.99 Taylor Kruse is to get client buy-in. and to engage them in the process because nobody ever did that before. They just did their exercises and were told okay go home practice this for 12 weeks come back we'll see if you you're better.
00:41:23.38 Taylor Kruse And what I'm telling people and this is what the client should expect is. We're going to teach you this assessment process. And we're going to mark progress not in 12 weeks.
00:41:34.50 Taylor Kruse We're going to mark progress after every input. That could be 12 seconds And. When you start to show the client. that change can happen in the moment and those changes can echo through the body.
00:41:49.50 Taylor Kruse What I mean by that is... You provide an input. and balance gets better. But then you check. strength and strength gets better And then you check.
00:42:00.42 Taylor Kruse Um you know a sensory some sort of sense that you were trying to improve and that gets better. Good results typically echo through the body to some degree so lots of systems show improvement not just one.
00:42:15.65 Taylor Kruse and And when you can do that. and show the client change in the moment even if it's... Negative. i Should say that Even if it's... regressing them.
00:42:27.96 Taylor Kruse Those are moments for buy-in because the client didn't know change could happen in the moment. And when you show them that. compliance goes up.
00:42:39.95 Taylor Kruse So... If you're the client you're receiving the exercises you are more likely to do your homework. if you know that change happens at the speed of the nervous system.
00:42:50.84 Taylor Kruse which is... Almost immediately. It really helps with compliance. so It's a big thing. You got to do your homework.
00:42:58.99 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:42:59.09 Taylor Kruse And... That brings up other things right? Habit change.
00:43:04.58 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:43:04.95 Taylor Kruse Habit change. if If you are not willing to change your habits as the client you're gonna run into issues You got to be ready. You got to be ready to change your your habits to some degree not all at once.
00:43:21.23 Taylor Kruse It doesn't necessarily have to be... Anything huge we're not trying to do a total makeover here but small changes. you know One small change leads you to the next thing.
00:43:33.70 Taylor Kruse Right. And it's kind of this. ongoing journey where You're getting motivated. by the results that happen from those small changes. and just keeps unfolding and you keep moving towards ah towards the finish line.
00:43:49.08 Taylor Kruse If there is one.
00:43:50.48 Tony Fowler Yeah. Do you have any examples of like a small change? that you might see in this scenario like what might What might the the... Applied neurology practitioner asks you to change.
00:44:03.33 Taylor Kruse Well the the homework conversation comes up a lot because a lot of clients don't do their homework. Right. They just don't. Because here's the thing. you know it's It's funny this this whole episode could be an airing of my grievances about the client. So hopefully I'm going to have some clients that have...
00:44:20.53 Taylor Kruse are listening to this maybe they'll think that's funny Clients can be a pain in the ass. Um But hey they can also be very rewarding to work with. and Um It's... ah It just is what it is. Most clients don't do their homework. And so you have to find ways to...
00:44:38.49 Taylor Kruse Get them to make those changes. It's not always well. It's never easy honestly Um So... Education. is is is the most important.
00:44:50.85 Taylor Kruse Right you the client has to be educated They have to understand enough of the why. And that will help with compliance. you know and Sometimes as the coach we...
00:45:03.87 Taylor Kruse We look for ways to encourage our clients to get more the volume of work done Bye. Well. I had mentioned micro dosing but sometimes like habit stacking.
00:45:15.66 Tony Fowler Hmm.
00:45:16.81 Taylor Kruse Like hey every time you go to brush your teeth let's Let's figure out a way. That every time you brush your teeth The act of brushing your teeth. triggers you.
00:45:28.41 Taylor Kruse to stand there and do your left-sided toe pulls. It's a mobility drill that we love right because Sometimes that's how weird the homework is. like Okay client I want you to do left.
00:45:39.86 Taylor Kruse Sighted only. Middle. toe pulls. Maybe it's helping their hip or something. right
00:45:47.43 Tony Fowler Hmm.
00:45:48.48 Taylor Kruse And if we can set up a way where one habit something that they've already established in their life like brushing their teeth. triggers them. to remember those left sided toe pulls. Well now every time they brush their teeth I know my client's getting those toe pulls in. And that... goes a long way it sounds like nothing But you have to understand that that's... that can be transformative for somebody Because as the client...
00:46:16.42 Taylor Kruse Clients tend to think. that they need to put in. Hard work. All at once. over time so they They want to do like 20 minutes of...
00:46:30.13 Taylor Kruse Toe pulls. right Not seconds. But those are... That's a very effective. way to start to ah approach making small changes.
00:46:42.11 Taylor Kruse the habit stacking and... I found it. successful in a lot of people. That. combined with education.
00:46:50.38 Tony Fowler Yeah. So you you talked a little bit about dosage. 20 seconds versus 20 minutes. Um...
00:46:58.93 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:47:00.36 Tony Fowler You know with micro dosing you know that there there can be. something like too much. of a dose right?
00:47:07.43 Taylor Kruse Yes.
00:47:08.10 Tony Fowler Um So in this scenario you're a client. You've learned the assessment process. You've got a high payoff exercise that you're practicing. You're doing your homework. And. every once in a while you're doing your assessments or after every time you're doing your assessments.
00:47:23.26 Tony Fowler And something that. used to make you feel better make the pain go away make your mobility increase. Suddenly assesses poorly. And now.
00:47:32.74 Taylor Kruse Mm hmm.
00:47:33.92 Tony Fowler Pain. increases or you get tighter or Something happens. What should you do?
00:47:42.25 Taylor Kruse Yeah that's good. so This is going to circle back to education eventually with the coach because.
00:47:51.95 Taylor Kruse when results fail to stick or results of a exercise change and now it's causing you issues. There's usually...
00:48:04.58 Taylor Kruse some reason why. We talk a lot about this in our courses. Generally. What I would say is that kind of leads you to some sort of metabolic or fuel.
00:48:17.84 Taylor Kruse Issue or threat? And that could be happening and that that can that can happen chronically or that can happen acutely. so sometimes what you're experiencing when your drills don't work.
00:48:31.60 Taylor Kruse or pain increases is that you're in an acute fuel deficit. Right. So somebody. might not have eaten properly to fuel their body that day.
00:48:42.41 Taylor Kruse Maybe it was an intense day of activities or work. Maybe there was really high stress. At work. combined with Not eating like you normally do to fuel yourself and you can find yourself in an acute fuel deficit And then you come home from work and you're kind of.
00:49:01.16 Taylor Kruse doing your drills out of an emergency because one you want to feel better. Um but in two you want to be compliant. You want to do a good job but you know you look at the clock and it's like. 6pm and...
00:49:14.76 Taylor Kruse You got to get dinner on the table. It's late in the day. You've already kind of gone through your your fuel reserves. you do your drills and it's like eh. I don't know if those are helping or I almost feel like that's exacerbating my symptoms. That can absolutely happen.
00:49:30.76 Taylor Kruse And when my clients tell me about that I say sleep it off. Sleep it off. Right? Focus on food. in nutrition whatever you need.
00:49:41.07 Taylor Kruse Focus on... Relaxation. Winding down. Go to bed. Sleep. Sleep it off. Typically they sleep it off. We'll get to start over again the next day.
00:49:52.73 Taylor Kruse Um can you know eliminate that acute fuel deficit Now you're back to where you were. Chronically people that have more long-term health.
00:50:03.35 Taylor Kruse concerns conditions whatever that might be something metabolic. This is something that... It is tough to navigate for the client. Tough to navigate for the coach.
00:50:16.80 Taylor Kruse Tough isn't even the right word. It's the hardest. It's the... hardest. Possible. challenge. coaching somebody.
00:50:29.49 Taylor Kruse that has a metabolic... issue. or has metabolic health concerns that are affecting the results.
00:50:38.21 Taylor Kruse Some clients... A lot. of clients. will quit. because of this. They don't know it's because of this but they will quit.
00:50:49.08 Taylor Kruse Because... The process doesn't seem linear like they want it. It's all over the place. they're not sure If... They're going to get results.
00:51:00.86 Taylor Kruse Things aren't sticking. It's causing more confusion. typically the behavior that goes with this is very frenetic. where Something goes wrong. Drills aren't working anymore. Pain increases. Now I'm running to the next thing.
00:51:15.04 Taylor Kruse right or the next therapist and I'm getting an emergency massage. or I'm doing emergency exercises that I used to do. I don't know if they help but I'm just doing them. There's a lot of frenetic behavior that goes with that.
00:51:26.88 Taylor Kruse It's the hardest person to help. especially if they don't understand. that they're in a chronic fuel deficit. based on So many factors right? you can You can have these issues for different reasons. It could be nutrition. It could be a combination of nutrition and breathing concerns or some sort of metabolic disease.
00:51:49.48 Taylor Kruse Whatever the case might be. typically that person does not understand the connection between their Um metabolic health.
00:52:00.58 Taylor Kruse and movement and the pain that they're experiencing. And the hardest part about it it for the coach is that. Somebody who's in a longstanding chronic fuel deficit.
00:52:16.71 Taylor Kruse I don't wanna sound pessimistic but it's going to. They almost never. understand the education? that they need to understand.
00:52:27.90 Taylor Kruse in order to get out of it And these are the clients that we lose. because they can't stay. focused. They don't have the attention span.
00:52:38.99 Taylor Kruse They don't have the decision-making. They don't have the executive functions that you need. to stay grounded. enough for long enough. to receive help from the person you're working with.
00:52:52.48 Taylor Kruse So. What does that sound like executive function? That sounds like the frontal lobe. There's other stuff involved obviously. but frontal lobe suffers. during Long.
00:53:04.57 Taylor Kruse um you know chronic fuel deficits. so Is this the hardest person to help? And. As the client...
00:53:15.64 Taylor Kruse if you if you know That you have. some sort of underlying metabolic threat. It's gonna make the process harder. It's gonna make it longer and You have to trust the process.
00:53:32.79 Taylor Kruse Receive the education. And understand that. Some days... are just gonna not be good days Right? you're You're not going to be feeling as good as you did. Maybe a...
00:53:46.37 Taylor Kruse A pain flare is going to come back. And you got to remember your threat bucket. right because it all comes back to the threat bucket. And. That's... We want to use the threat bucket language.
00:53:59.47 Taylor Kruse to communicate with one another client to coach. And that's really going to be important because then You can Understand that. This is a very holistic process.
00:54:13.24 Taylor Kruse and other threats in your life. Coming from anywhere? can affect whether or not your drills are doing what we want them to do. So come back to that threat bucket ground yourself. Remember the process is not linear.
00:54:28.88 Taylor Kruse And that there's going to be. days where it doesn't go as well but Um There'll be more victories. you know then than not. for sure.
00:54:41.71 Tony Fowler Um You know speaking of education. I mean we've got countless hours. On this podcast we've got... You've got multiple multiple courses that people can take.
00:54:54.05 Taylor Kruse Mm hmm.
00:54:54.36 Tony Fowler Um There's continuing education. You're still... learning about. applied neurology.
00:55:00.70 Taylor Kruse Mm hmm.
00:55:00.99 Tony Fowler Um How much does the client... really need. To know where does education? begin and and end for a client. Because.
00:55:12.05 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:55:12.69 Tony Fowler In the framing I'm... i'm I'd like to add to this is that it seems like it could be a bit overwhelming
00:55:19.55 Taylor Kruse Yes.
00:55:20.21 Tony Fowler to be going through whatever you're going through your pain your dysfunction. And also being like do I need to become? an expert in this?
00:55:28.99 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:55:29.25 Tony Fowler as well. you know.
00:55:31.64 Taylor Kruse Yeah that's that's interesting because I have my notes here that I jotted down things that came to mind. you know before we got on here. and One of the things that I wrote on here is T-Till...
00:55:46.97 Taylor Kruse Make sure the client doesn't try to hang intellectually. With the coach. during every session. Because it burns them out. Now this is this is important for our coaches to hear.
00:56:00.29 Taylor Kruse because as a neuro person you're typically going to find that your clientele is people who also have a strong interest.
00:56:11.15 Taylor Kruse in health and fitness in the body and the brain. That's just how it works. And so some of those people really want to hang with every single little thing that you're doing intellectually because they can.
00:56:22.95 Taylor Kruse They're typically like. Usually we we get... very intelligent clients right that are interested in this kind of thing And that can kind of burn them out. So sometimes I find myself needing to say that to my clients.
00:56:35.13 Taylor Kruse like hey don't worry about like trying to hang with every single thing that we do here like later on if you have questions about why we did something i'll help you understand that But we want to make sure we don't Burn out your fuel supply. for this session it's ah It's a real thing. That can that can absolutely happen.
00:56:53.29 Taylor Kruse so It can be overwhelming if you try to do that. It's like drinking from a garden hose especially if you're interested. you know in it so how much does the client really need to know well Technically all the client needs to know is the threat bucket.
00:57:09.67 Taylor Kruse Like I have had clients before that really don't have interest in the deep neurology. They just think what we're doing is cool. Like okay awesome. It's helping me. I'm gonna do what this guy says. I still teach in the threat pocket.
00:57:22.17 Taylor Kruse That's typically all I need to know. I feel like if they know that education and they understand like the holism. of the systems we're working with. and how the bucket can either spill.
00:57:34.49 Taylor Kruse or we can dismantle threat in the bucket to feel better. And when we do a good drill... The threat comes down. And when we do a not so good drill. the bucket might spill.
00:57:46.69 Taylor Kruse How do we manage this in the moment? in a session but then also How do you the client manage this? outside of this session. in your life because that's actually what matters more than the exercises that I'm...
00:58:01.42 Taylor Kruse providing you. All right so... at ah At a bare minimum you need to know the threat bucket. And then if you are really trying to hang with the information you do have to be careful with how much of that information you...
00:58:14.52 Taylor Kruse you're taking in at the same time as. assessing and reassessing and receiving the inputs and doing the movement drills. because it can be too much.
00:58:24.35 Tony Fowler mm-hmm Yeah so maybe the the threat bucket and then the assessment process.
00:58:29.78 Taylor Kruse Yeah exactly.
00:58:31.18 Tony Fowler yeah
00:58:31.37 Taylor Kruse Exactly.
00:58:32.84 Tony Fowler Um. So to close out. uh because we're running short on time to close out Maybe this is your opportunity to air all of your grievances.
00:58:42.91 Taylor Kruse Sure.
00:58:43.23 Tony Fowler But what are the what are the common mistakes? Misconceptions counterproductive behaviors. that you encounter in clients that people can try to avoid.
00:58:53.45 Taylor Kruse Okay. Yeah I got some stuff here. So... The first one is make sure it's the right timing for you to accept the help. It's very important. You know you might get lucky and you might do a neuro session and your pain goes away in one session and then you're done. You don't need to follow up.
00:59:11.67 Taylor Kruse Like I said. It happens. We call it a drive-by. It's... For me it's not really the goal necessarily.
00:59:18.99 Tony Fowler ah
00:59:19.78 Taylor Kruse because I want follow-up. And it's not because I want to put money in my pocket. It's because I know I can do better work. with follow-up.
00:59:28.99 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:59:29.41 Taylor Kruse Right we can accomplish more. But it is cool. when you have tools that can help somebody very quickly. And I do still lean on those. you know for myself. And sometimes for...
00:59:41.21 Taylor Kruse for a client you know if they have a random little thing that came up and Maybe it's one of my... fitness clients and hey we want to train today. and Okay let's try an opposing joint drill for that issue. Okay the pain's gone. Let's go.
00:59:56.81 Taylor Kruse Right. That's awesome. All right so it's just.
00:59:58.29 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
00:59:59.44 Taylor Kruse but make sure it's the right timing for you because... If you are going to be following up and you're you're looking for coaching. longer term. you know It's important that you're in the right place in your life.
01:00:11.36 Taylor Kruse where you can dedicate the energy. into not only the work you're doing in session but all the stuff we talked about doing your homework and and making small changes to your lifestyle. That's going to make sure that you. you really do get good long term.
01:00:26.05 Taylor Kruse Results. Here's one. Use an athlete's mindset not a patient's mindset.
01:00:33.68 Tony Fowler Hmm.
01:00:34.67 Taylor Kruse I have to say to my clients. often. You want to be a patient? With me or do you want to be an athlete? And then I say and by the way I don't accept patience. Because patience stay patience.
01:00:48.21 Taylor Kruse For the most part. Because... that. is what they've been taught. with healthcare. is that they're a patient. They are to receive care. And that kind of implies that... I don't have to do anything.
01:01:02.79 Taylor Kruse i'm sort of just receiving care i'm a patient I remind people. Most of the time patience stay patient. Do you want to be a patient or do you want to be an athlete? Oh but I'm not an athlete. Doesn't matter. You can have an athlete's mindset.
01:01:16.81 Taylor Kruse And what I mean by that is... Open to the education. treating the session like a training session like you're going to squeeze the most out of it that you can each time.
01:01:28.28 Taylor Kruse You're going to practice on your own. Right. These are all really key components That you don't find in healthcare. care You don't find that. um and It's important to have that athlete's... mindset because You're learning skills.
01:01:46.54 Taylor Kruse If you're working with a... coach here well no matter what the goal is. Pain. less pain or an athletic goal your learning skills. All right so that's that's huge to have that kind of mindset.
01:01:59.100 Taylor Kruse Another one is to have reasonable expectations.
01:02:04.92 Taylor Kruse Transformations. Take a minimum of one year for most people. That's just my experience. Sometimes it takes longer. There's a lot of victories along the way.
01:02:17.73 Taylor Kruse All right there's in the moment victories And there's you know. Weekly victories. There's a lot of victories but really for like a full transformation what we've seen Alicia and I over the years working with clients one-on-one.
01:02:30.89 Taylor Kruse is that amazing things happen in a year. All right so you have to have reasonable expectations Here is a very important one. Never put the responsibility.
01:02:43.93 Taylor Kruse for your health. on a coach. or another type of practitioner. And if that practitioner is. asking you to.
01:02:54.87 Taylor Kruse That is a red flag. So here's what I mean by that. your responsibility Your health is your responsibility as the client. And the person you're working with.
01:03:05.95 Taylor Kruse the coach the clinician the therapist they are to be an options facilitator to help you navigate maybe a tricky situation where you're trying to figure out how to improve your health.
01:03:21.58 Taylor Kruse or how to improve your performance. Never put... That responsibility on them. Because you have to do the work.
01:03:32.89 Taylor Kruse but you're going to lean on them for... Helping. You find the right direction. the right exercises the right frequency the right dose.
01:03:44.41 Taylor Kruse providing the education but in the end You have to do it. Now there's a lot of people out there. Coaches and therapists. that will actually kind of require you.
01:04:00.07 Taylor Kruse to put that kind of responsibility. into them. And... I can tell you that most of the time that is an ego-driven practice.
01:04:13.19 Taylor Kruse those are the types of people that say I fixed you. Or this is what I'm going to do for you. When you hear I...
01:04:25.43 Taylor Kruse Go the other way Because... Thinking about myself It's not. Me. that is healing you. or fixing you.
01:04:37.76 Taylor Kruse right I'm an options facilitator. that's drawing from experience and knowledge and i'm helping you find a direction that's going to work.
01:04:48.21 Taylor Kruse making sure that... Dosage is good exercises are ideal. We're making the right changes along the way. But I am never the one to heal you.
01:05:00.27 Taylor Kruse or to fix you. You are. Because you're doing the work. And your health is your responsibility. These are huge shifts.
01:05:10.22 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:05:10.57 Taylor Kruse In mentality. and mindset. that if you if you can... Bring this kind of mentality to working with somebody very good things will happen.
01:05:21.36 Taylor Kruse versus the other Couple more here. um
01:05:29.79 Taylor Kruse Acknowledge improvements. This is this is really important. Um for clients to hear. It's so key. to acknowledge improvements as you go.
01:05:42.56 Taylor Kruse even if only small ones. It helps with motivation Helps you kind of become more compliant. It helps you see where you're going to go.
01:05:53.29 Taylor Kruse And you have to... Pay attention to those improvements. And sometimes you still need to be sifting through the noise. of symptoms that you might be experiencing to find those improvements.
01:06:07.48 Taylor Kruse But you want to attach to those improvements because that is part of plastic change. That is part of proving to your brain. What is possible? I really think about that a lot right now as...
01:06:20.44 Taylor Kruse you know our family. works to really restore our health. after the mold toxicity and all these other things. Because there's been so much noise. So much in what I'm calling noise is like symptoms.
01:06:34.90 Taylor Kruse We've had to sift through a lot of that because there's been bad days. And. You have to attach. to the improvements And when you do that you bring this level of awareness and cognition to. the Table. That's so important for improving because when we're in a health crisis
01:06:57.52 Taylor Kruse or a state of... intense pain. Our first brain is running the show. What that means is all the subcortical structures.
01:07:08.20 Taylor Kruse The primitive stuff. In our second brain the big cortex that lives on top of the subcortical stuff. That's where the executive function comes from.
01:07:19.27 Taylor Kruse Our second brain is having a difficult time inhibiting. The first brain. Impulsive. survival-based. Um Escape let's call it.
01:07:32.16 Taylor Kruse Right? overflow. And so. our When our first brain is running the show. We typically don't have that level of executive function that we need It makes the whole thing.
01:07:46.20 Taylor Kruse a lot harder All right it's it's a lot harder. So when we... Take a moment to ground ourself and find the small improvements.
01:07:59.32 Taylor Kruse It's almost like You're like. Tapping into... your cortex in like inhibiting the survival-based responses that you might be having for a moment.
01:08:12.99 Taylor Kruse And it leads to more and more results big It's a big deal.
01:08:20.53 Taylor Kruse Couple more before we're done here Understand that movement is one small part of improving your health. and movement stacked on top of...
01:08:34.03 Taylor Kruse on an unhealthy lifestyle. generally just doesn't stick at some point. So that kind of brings us back to what we already discussed with habit change and making those small changes to your lifestyle along the way.
01:08:46.40 Taylor Kruse That's kind of what I have been experiencing over the last year or so with these changes I've been making to my nutrition and my lifestyle. It's been one little thing at a time that leads me to the next.
01:08:59.03 Taylor Kruse right not not all at once that typically is what fails but it's important to know that improving your health is not just about doing a set of exercises.
01:09:09.40 Taylor Kruse In fact... It's kind of funny to think about this as a movement guy. But. Movement is probably the smallest part of the pie. It's a part of the pie.
01:09:22.34 Taylor Kruse but it's the smallest sliver. when you really holistically look at everything that goes into What it is to actually improve your health.
01:09:34.88 Taylor Kruse your movement right?
01:09:39.85 Taylor Kruse Think I got him.
01:09:41.68 Tony Fowler Hmm.
01:09:41.83 Taylor Kruse That's what I had here
01:09:43.15 Tony Fowler That's a fantastic list.
01:09:45.55 Taylor Kruse Yeah. That was. As I was rushing home. from actually getting a blood draw this morning.
01:09:53.26 Tony Fowler Okay.
01:09:53.72 Taylor Kruse for some testing that we're um It's pretty cool actually so We just got. I just got my third hair mineral test back. so we're working with some dietitians To help us detox. and you know help us with this whole thing.
01:10:11.30 Taylor Kruse It's going quite well. And I got my third hair mineral test back yesterday. I have massive improvements which is great.
01:10:19.22 Taylor Kruse Another I talked about this I think back in January. the story I talked about it more in depth but i had heavy metal toxicity that accumulated during.
01:10:30.44 Taylor Kruse all of this mold toxicity as well And I cut my heavy metals in half again on this test. So that's great. So I'm learning that about every four to five months I can cut them in half.
01:10:41.66 Taylor Kruse Many of them most of them now are. Technically in range. There's still one that's way off the chart but I keep cutting it in half every time every four to five months. So at least I know I'm moving the needle.
01:10:52.64 Tony Fowler Yeah.
01:10:53.64 Taylor Kruse minerals are looking much better more balanced. sodium potassium all this stuff So it was very exciting. I got a good test back. They have a whole based on their philosophy they kind of grade your metabolism one through four.
01:11:08.78 Taylor Kruse I started out as a four which was the worst. I'm now a one which is... the best. So that's good.
01:11:14.13 Tony Fowler Hmm.
01:11:15.61 Taylor Kruse Yeah he's moving in the right direction.
01:11:16.53 Tony Fowler How do you feel?
01:11:18.17 Taylor Kruse Much much better. um Still have some things to... work through. It's gonna take some time. But overall... tremendous compared to before.
01:11:29.16 Taylor Kruse um about About I don't know four months ago four and a half months ago i really started making progress with weight loss Fat loss.
01:11:41.28 Taylor Kruse which previously I wasn't able to do because my blood sugar was so messed up from all of this.
01:11:46.19 Tony Fowler Hmm.
01:11:46.57 Taylor Kruse i tried i failed i tried i failed i just couldn't do it i felt my body just My body was telling me like. Dude you... This is not the right time for fat loss. and i listened Even though I was pissed because...
01:11:59.42 Taylor Kruse I wanted to... i wanted to make that change but i couldn't it wasn't the right time About five months ago almost I started feeling such an improvement in my blood sugar.
01:12:11.12 Taylor Kruse Started tracking my food making smarter decisions looking at overall calories. increased my protein increased my fiber dialed it in. I dialed it in. I've never been so dialed. on my nutrition as i am right now.
01:12:25.73 Taylor Kruse tracking it. Remember we did a whole podcast on tracking. I'm like nah. I don't track anything Well I'm tracking now and it's and it's a good thing.
01:12:35.08 Tony Fowler Yeah.
01:12:35.67 Taylor Kruse And. yeah i've lost 28 pounds isn't that crazy
01:12:39.69 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:12:40.70 Taylor Kruse A lot of it was water retention But... um I feel good. I did 10 one-arm push-ups yesterday.
01:12:48.26 Tony Fowler Let's go.
01:12:49.15 Taylor Kruse Yeah I feel like Rocky.
01:12:49.87 Tony Fowler Let's go.
01:12:50.13 Taylor Kruse I feel like Rocky in the basement. You know? Like I used to. Back in my basement training days with the Rocky soundtrack on when I was in high school or something.
01:13:01.63 Taylor Kruse and you know i cheated i lost 28 pounds and now i can hammer out one arm push-ups but i do feel stronger And I feel good.
01:13:08.01 Tony Fowler yeah
01:13:08.34 Taylor Kruse So it's all it's all headed in the right direction.
01:13:11.48 Tony Fowler That's great. I imagine. sort ah You know. taking on this this uh guidance. from an expert.
01:13:21.02 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
01:13:22.15 Tony Fowler and something that isn't applied neurology. you know maybe maybe put you in a good mindset to do this episode today. right because you're you're also following a process and being a good student and being a good ah
01:13:29.94 Taylor Kruse Yeah. That's right. Hit. it's Yes it's funny you said that. It's exactly what Alicia and I were talking about before this episode. I've really...
01:13:41.71 Taylor Kruse had to think about a lot of these things. you know in the last. five months getting getting help and We had to trust the process. Right? I didn't know what was going to happen. The philosophy they use is not something I was familiar with.
01:13:56.46 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:13:56.69 Taylor Kruse You know they're they're grading my metabolism with a number. I don't know what the number means. I really still don't.
01:14:01.76 Tony Fowler Yeah.
01:14:01.74 Taylor Kruse It's very complex. and they They give us great. Uh... reports and send us valuable education. on What's happening and what we need to do and to be honest I don't understand most of it but i I've been doing my homework. I've been taking my supplements and doing what I can on my end.
01:14:24.60 Taylor Kruse you know and
01:14:25.33 Tony Fowler Let me ask you this. Did they take a history?
01:14:26.25 Taylor Kruse Yeah. Yes there was a history for sure.
01:14:30.72 Tony Fowler yeah
01:14:31.12 Taylor Kruse And. And then kind of like a follow-up like they'll have you... Fill out. um
01:14:40.02 Taylor Kruse More little history things but like... It's like them taking another history like they're asking you about the symptoms you're experiencing or what has improved. what hasn't improved and Yeah.
01:14:51.59 Taylor Kruse So it's kind of ongoing right?
01:14:53.23 Tony Fowler Mm hmm.
01:14:53.95 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
01:14:55.65 Tony Fowler Cool man. Cool man. Well I think this is a great episode. Both for... for you know clients I'll say.
01:15:03.59 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
01:15:03.95 Tony Fowler but also for coaches you know to see what they might be missing from the client experience or how they can help facilitate.
01:15:10.22 Taylor Kruse Totally.
01:15:12.45 Tony Fowler a good client experience so i really appreciate you Diving in on this one.
01:15:17.00 Taylor Kruse Yeah this was a good idea Tony yeah I'm glad you thought of this one. And and yeah she's like... I like the good change of pace.
01:15:24.24 Tony Fowler right on
01:15:26.19 Taylor Kruse All right there it is. I hope you guys enjoyed this one. What do I have to tell you? Well... Probably the same thing I've been telling you. Um If you haven't yet seen the free masterclass.
01:15:37.93 Taylor Kruse Make sure you do that. That's important. You can find the the link in the show notes. And those of you who have been supporting the podcast thank you so much. Um your ongoing support.
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