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00:00:01.30 Tony Fowler And we're rolling.
00:00:04.76 Taylor Kruse Welcome back to the Cruise Elite Podcast. What's up Tony?
00:00:08.28 Tony Fowler Good morning. yeah Good morning Taylor.
00:00:11.13 Taylor Kruse ah That's kind of the the morning you're having right?
00:00:14.14 Tony Fowler It seems so.
00:00:14.21 Taylor Kruse At least a slow at least a slow start.
00:00:15.38 Tony Fowler it's so for
00:00:16.71 Taylor Kruse It's going to be a great day but...
00:00:19.03 Tony Fowler So for the listeners you know umm I'm in bed and I get a text from Taylor. He's like hey man I'm up i'm here. And somehow I had slept through my alarm and just didn't even was i was in the space where I was like I didn't even realize it was Monday you know it was that kind of thing.
00:00:28.57 Taylor Kruse yeah
00:00:31.90 Taylor Kruse ah
00:00:38.54 Tony Fowler So here we are a couple minutes late by the grace of Taylor.
00:00:39.51 Taylor Kruse And then maybe yeah yeah maybe unconsciously too you were like I wonder if Taylor's coming tomorrow because I messaged you last night and was like our whole family's getting sick. I don't know if this is going to work out.
00:00:52.95 Tony Fowler i think that's probably part of it. My brain was just like oh he's piece sick.
00:00:55.42 Taylor Kruse Yeah. Yeah yeah. So Alicia's not here with us today unfortunately for the Q&A which is a bummer but we'll get her back on. But basically what happened was we started having a cold kind of sweep through the family and i I'm doing pretty good. I thought I might be getting it. Hopefully I'm i'm you know dodging it but I did get under the weather a little bit yesterday and the day before.
00:01:23.10 Taylor Kruse But Alicia probably a little bit more than me and then our daughter stayed home from school. So Alicia is with our daughter. So yeah unfortunately it'll just I'll just be doing the Q&A solo.
00:01:35.38 Taylor Kruse But we'll do we'll do another joint Q&A again.
00:01:39.29 Tony Fowler Yeah yeah. It's always so fun when to to get her on the podcast and just kind of get get the full Cruise Elite experience here on the podcast. I enjoy that a lot.
00:01:47.83 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:01:51.26 Tony Fowler um Also hearing your story about her needling your your your butt and just the two of you chatting it was great.
00:02:00.66 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:02:02.78 Tony Fowler It was great.
00:02:06.36 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:02:06.52 Tony Fowler All right so I think we should just dive in. um We've got a Q&A episode and I want to thank everybody again for for sending in their questions.
00:02:09.03 Taylor Kruse Let's do it.
00:02:15.56 Tony Fowler We've got questions today from social media but also from the dojo.
00:02:21.24 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:02:21.50 Tony Fowler um So that's pretty exciting too.
00:02:22.07 Taylor Kruse straight from straight Straight from our from our community
00:02:29.00 Tony Fowler All right let's start off with ah
00:02:32.89 Tony Fowler one that... ah may seem to may seem a little bit out of left field. This is from Anne Louise Kronloff.
00:02:46.14 Tony Fowler How can you use applied neurology for depression?
00:02:53.98 Taylor Kruse Yeah this is ah I get this more than you would think actually especially in DMs through Instagram. So this is not it's not within my scope to say to somebody I'm going to help you with your depression using applied neuro.
00:03:12.86 Taylor Kruse so So keep that in mind. But I will tell you I'll tell you some things based on theory and based on my own experience you know with ah just observing clients right? because Because sometimes in working with people using neuro you see you see their behavior change you see their affect change you see improvements in depression or anxiety as kind of a byproduct of doing all of the things that your testing told you to do which is kinda cool.
00:03:51.32 Taylor Kruse so when we When we sort of look at the neurology of depression there's there's obviously a lot there to unpack. um Very simply put some of the areas of the brain that would be really interesting to us to focus on would be like the frontal lobe as well as the insular lobe right? And we have episodes on both I believe if ah if people want to go a little bit deeper there.
00:04:21.34 Taylor Kruse And the tip I'm going to describe um as far as like applied neuro goes is that a lot of times when you give somebody a lot of good frontal lobe activation they feel better.
00:04:40.11 Taylor Kruse it's It's very very common to see that. and It's also worth saying that kind of like we always talk about your your fuel has to be in a really good place.
00:04:53.53 Taylor Kruse you You cannot expect to apply neuro if you don't have the foundations to support the immediate changes that generally happen. All right so that's really important. You gotta to be on top of your nutrition and make sure that you have those foundations.
00:05:12.95 Taylor Kruse have those foundations. A lot of frontal lobe activation goes a really long way here and people usually feel better. Same with insular lobe activation. It kind of depends. I've i've seen... it sort of It just depends on the person and and their history.
00:05:26.17 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:05:27.40 Taylor Kruse And in you might choose more of a kind of insular direction versus frontal lobe. Sometimes they end up kind of overlapping. But getting good frontal lobe activation means that you're going to do a lot of good cerebellar training that really requires a high level of coordination.
00:05:46.71 Taylor Kruse that's one idea just because you know the cortex is heavily involved in that. It's not just about the cerebellum. can also try things like visual saccades. Those are the exercises where you jump your eyes back and forth.
00:06:00.43 Taylor Kruse It's not a tracking movement. Like you're not following the movement but you're jumping your eyes from one target to another.
00:06:02.45 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:06:07.42 Taylor Kruse that That's what we call a saccade. And those are a very strong stimulus for the frontal lobe as well. So that's kind of a key vision drill when when we're thinking about the frontal lobe.
00:06:20.30 Taylor Kruse There's also if you look further into it like anything any kind of cognitive load during exercise can be quite good. And i remember the frontal lobe's all about like executive decisions or executive functions.
00:06:35.58 Taylor Kruse So there's i mean there's really what it ends up being is you end up doing a lot of cortical work because there's so much overlap between the lobes. And if you can if you can get enough of it usually you can move the needle.
00:06:50.33 Taylor Kruse Yeah but but again remember this is this is assuming that fuel is in check. Because if you're if you're battling fuel issues and chronic inflammation and or breathing dysfunction it's hard to get changes in something like depression when those other things are kind of getting in the way.
00:07:12.10 Tony Fowler Mm hmm. I'm imagining this is sort of like. a I mean exercise itself I know makes me feel better on average day in and day out.
00:07:20.92 Taylor Kruse For sure. Yeah.
00:07:23.06 Tony Fowler um And if I don't exercise I notice I can get myself into a funk ah pretty quickly after a while. So um I imagine that this is sort of like that in that we're stimulating something in the brain and that's just helpful.
00:07:30.52 Taylor Kruse Right. hmm.
00:07:38.78 Tony Fowler But the the connection I was curious about with the cortex specifically is you know this is where our our executive function is right? Like people say it's like the rational part of the brain.
00:07:52.70 Tony Fowler um when you're doing visual saccades I imagine it's activating the frontal cortex uh and not just like the occipital region in the back right? Because you're making decisions on targeting like you're you're deciding to move your eye to target this and then you're deciding to do that.
00:08:10.49 Tony Fowler Um that's but that's my my my theory but I guess um what I'm getting at is um if if you are ruminating and you're stuck in a negative thought loop that you know getting your brain into doing something else thinking about something else stimulating it in a different way might might be helpful for that.
00:08:31.09 Taylor Kruse Mm hmm.
00:08:41.47 Tony Fowler What do you think about that connection?
00:08:44.15 Taylor Kruse Yeah so um there's definitely something there. Anytime we do heavy loads of heavy heavy amounts of cortical work you're you're essentially improving inhibition.
00:08:55.90 Taylor Kruse right So there's there's the inhibition of some of those first brain type responses that are more of the kind of unwanted things impulsive things reflexive things.
00:08:56.22 Tony Fowler Mmm.
00:09:06.92 Taylor Kruse The more you can activate the cortex the more you can have better inhibition. So that's definitely one idea. Also you can't really separate when it comes to movement you can't really separate the cerebellum from the cortex because they're both involved in voluntary movement.
00:09:22.58 Taylor Kruse And the cerebellum actually has been shown to be involved with inhibiting unwanted thoughts. So there's some interesting stuff there too.
00:09:32.35 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:09:35.54 Taylor Kruse So again you know it's movement is good at this by design right? And and I want to make sure too that people realize that the bare bone basics like strength training go so far with feeling better if you're dealing with depression.
00:09:55.71 Taylor Kruse it's It's just that you got to get yourself to the strength training session session and you have to get started. You know and that's really where people struggle when they're having behavior change issues and depression. They cannot get the process started.
00:10:11.13 Taylor Kruse But if you can find a way to do that you'll probably notice you feel better. Strength training unbelievable stimulus for the cortex. right? It's all voluntary movement.
00:10:22.48 Taylor Kruse Um there's you get yeah it's so spread out. You get activation in so many different key areas strength training like do not forget you know it's it's it's a common it's common for us to sort of chuckle sometimes because applied neuro is amazing.
00:10:38.38 Taylor Kruse And we get so nerdy about these specific structures but like at the end of the day general strength training is a very strong stimulus for lots of things lots of structures that we're always talking about. So do not forget that. It's typically the combination of things that you do that move the needle the most.
00:11:01.62 Taylor Kruse So I could give you just visual saccades. And that might not be nearly as powerful for for somebody as if you started doing some visual saccades but then you also started strength training twice a week.
00:11:04.98 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:11:15.48 Taylor Kruse I mean you can't compete with those combinations of things. You change your nutrition a little bit. Oh my gosh now now it's it's starting to really move the needle.
00:11:26.78 Taylor Kruse It's never one thing. That's important for people to know.
00:11:32.34 Tony Fowler that that cascade effect where we're talking about sometimes it's almost like you want to get that moving in the right direction and and build those little habits and they all add up.
00:11:36.47 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:11:42.77 Taylor Kruse That's the thing because usually when you make one change that gives you something positive right it's ah it's a catalyst for making another change.
00:11:43.03 Tony Fowler Um
00:11:55.06 Taylor Kruse And then that's a catalyst for making another change. And then you start getting motivated by your own result. right? Because motivation's not there. Like people have a totally wrong idea of what motivation is. You people assume that others that are you know getting a lot of this stuff done on a regular basis are motivated.
00:12:17.22 Taylor Kruse I've hardly ever met anybody motivated really when it came to like fitness.
00:12:22.70 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:12:23.67 Taylor Kruse It's different than what people realize. It's like those of us who are consistently exercising are using the same strategy to do that day in and day out that someone else uses to brush their teeth.
00:12:39.38 Taylor Kruse It's the same strategy. You're just at a point where you just do it. And when you're when you're depressed and you're you know that is interfering with starting the process that's really hard. So you look for one small change to be a catalyst for something else.
00:12:56.57 Taylor Kruse And then little by little you you keep following that progress. It's like motivating you to find the next thing right? So it could be that those visual saccades are the catalyst right? Or it could be that just going outside and taking a walk around the block is the catalyst right? And and that's that's so important to know that.
00:13:25.24 Tony Fowler You know um thinking about neuro I was sort of wondering if you were going to talk about the parasympathetic system at all. um
00:13:36.31 Taylor Kruse I yeah.
00:13:36.66 Tony Fowler Mostly because yeah mostly because anxiety and and depression sometimes go hand in hand right?
00:13:40.95 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:13:42.76 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:13:42.84 Taylor Kruse Yeah if the words used were anxiety I probably would have. Yeah i put I probably would have talked about like sometimes in in a state of anxiety um inhibiting sympathetics can be quite useful right?
00:13:57.25 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:13:58.75 Taylor Kruse So we're looking at like other parasympathetic type drills to kind down regulate. it's It's not always the answer because it's really it's really interesting. Sometimes people need the opposite.
00:14:10.90 Taylor Kruse They actually you need actually need to activate their sympathetics more And you sort of just learn that through testing and evaluating people and observing them and taking histories and stuff. But I would say more more often it's strategies for kind of down-regulating in that state.
00:14:33.14 Tony Fowler um When you're working with someone I'm curious if you're ever thinking about or talking about depression specifically or is this more just sort of an observation that you've gleaned over the years as...
00:14:48.15 Taylor Kruse yeah In the work that I do it is usually an observation you know after I get to know somebody enough. And if they if they share it you know and and you know and then I consider that when someone shares it with me I consider that sort of like permission to discuss it a little.
00:14:57.67 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:15:07.19 Taylor Kruse um If it's not shared I i don't. right And it's not something that I actually need to necessarily know a lot about. right it's it's usually usually you can pretty you can figure that out right through behaviors as you get to know somebody. and And then that's kind of neat like as you take somebody through a process
00:15:28.31 Taylor Kruse you know this is assuming that the client is a follow-up client right? You can kind of witness this little transformation over time where their affect is changing and their but behaviors are changing from being you know able to put in that work. And yeah so just kind of depends.
00:15:48.72 Tony Fowler Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:52.24 Tony Fowler All right. This question is from Miss Kowalramani.
00:16:02.90 Tony Fowler When is stretching actually indicated and therapeutic? And I think this is a particularly good one for you um because I know your history with stretching isn't always very rosy right?
00:16:19.35 Taylor Kruse Yeah. it So it kind of depends on so the the word therapeutic was used. So you know if if if I had the opportunity I would ask this person to elaborate a little bit more just so I could understand like what
00:16:35.38 Taylor Kruse what were they really thinking of in their mind in terms of like what would stretching be good for? right Because it with stretching and this is assuming that we're talking about traditional stretching like what the general population considers stretching. Because there are different types of stretching.
00:16:56.79 Taylor Kruse The general population as a whole does not know that. right They don't know the technicalities stretching what makes this form of stretching different from another form of stretching. So when we talk traditional stretching we're basically talking about bringing a joint in muscles to an end range of motion
00:17:18.52 Taylor Kruse somewhat more passively where you're relaxing into a posture or a position to achieve that stretching sensation in that body area right? That's traditionally how you would look at stretching. And the traditional thought process for doing that is that if you do that those muscles get longer.
00:17:42.07 Taylor Kruse And if those muscles get longer because you should be looser from longer muscles that means you would feel better from it right?
00:17:53.59 Taylor Kruse um That is so far off it's not even funny. um you You don't stretch your muscles and get longer muscles. It's like you could if you really dive into like what is known in the science of stretching you you could even argue what I just said to some degree because like there is even research saying that stretching when done enough actually can create some levels of hypertrophy which is really interesting.
00:18:25.40 Taylor Kruse I've seen some stuff on that. But I don't wanna go too far into the weeds. We're gonna go back to what is considered traditional stretching. When is it indicated?
00:18:35.96 Taylor Kruse The first thing I'll say is generally speaking traditional stretching is a terrible tool for dealing with pain. I would say of of everything I've tried in the last 20 some odd years stretching is the worst tool I have ever tried.
00:18:56.79 Taylor Kruse I mean nothing even compares to how bad stretching is as a tool for pain generally speaking. And I have had a few experiences where someone stretched in and it helped them with pain.
00:19:09.18 Taylor Kruse Okay so let's just be clear on that. But generally speaking it is so far um it is it is so um Yeah it just is lousy.
00:19:22.55 Taylor Kruse It just there's so many things that are better. Okay. So it depends on the goal. So if the goal is pain it's a lousy tool. There's a lot of other things you should do. I mean most of the time people having pain issues have uh
00:19:41.15 Taylor Kruse threat-based issues threat associated with the area where they're feeling pain. And when you go and stretch an area that already feels threatened usually your brain goes stop that.
00:19:53.41 Tony Fowler Yeah
00:19:53.75 Taylor Kruse Like maybe you've had an overstretch injury. Well stretching an overstretch injury is not a good idea. Your brain's going to go stop that. This already got overstretched. Now you're using the mechanism of injury to try to fix it.
00:20:07.61 Taylor Kruse That kills me that one because I see that all the time. People are like oh i pulled my adductor and it feels tight. common right? What you feel yeah protective tension.
00:20:17.66 Tony Fowler ah there's protective tension there.
00:20:20.73 Taylor Kruse and then you go and you stretch it out and you get a little bit of relief at first. And oh now you're now you're getting tricked. Now you're getting seduced into this game of chasing the tension with stretching. And so you keep stretching it. And then all of a sudden it doesn't feel so good anymore. And you know maybe that overstretch injury is tired of you trying to use the mechanism for the injury to try to solve the problem.
00:20:45.62 Taylor Kruse Okay so you see that a lot. So with overstretch injuries certainly not a great tool. Now the words used in the question were therapeutic.
00:20:57.52 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:20:57.56 Taylor Kruse So it just kind of you'd have to kind of dive into what does the person mean by therapeutic?
00:20:57.68 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:21:01.28 Taylor Kruse Did they mean pain? I don't know. did What if they mean just feel good? What if therapeutic means just hey I want to get a feel-good therapeutic result from doing this?
00:21:15.90 Taylor Kruse And if that's the case stretching could be a stimulus that helps a person feel better. You have to make sure you're not abusing it. And the problem with stretching is people abuse it constantly because they use it to chase tension in their body.
00:21:34.81 Taylor Kruse So it's misapplied all the time. And if you if you keep chasing tension in your body with stretching usually it doesn't go very well right? um now if you didn't if you did not abuse it and you you knew how to listen to your body and maybe keep stretch sensations let's say sort of medium minimal to medium whatever that is let's call it a three to five out of 10 and you knew the difference between neural tension and muscular tension which there is a ah degree of difference when you're feeling that
00:22:02.97 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:22:13.02 Taylor Kruse because a lot of times people chase neural tension with stretching. And what they accidentally do is put themselves into an aggressive nerve tensioner and they keep stretching.
00:22:24.95 Taylor Kruse And then their brain goes hey would you stop yanking on this nerve? It's already irritated. And then maybe it doesn't go so well right? So therapeutically I could see it being useful. It is a strong insular stimulus.
00:22:43.70 Taylor Kruse Very strong insular stimulus which is why people that generally have insular histories get addicted to stretching. These are people that literally become stretchaholics because they're seeking a stimulus. They're seeking an insular-based stimulus. And when you stretch your muscles and you get that sustained stretch feeling in your muscles and connective tissues and you get all that C-fiber activation that can be very therapeutic feeling for somebody that needs insular activation.
00:23:17.11 Taylor Kruse But then the whole thing is are you doing it in a way that is healthy without overdoing it? Okay so when we start kind of moving towards is stretching good for performance?
00:23:34.10 Taylor Kruse In my experience it's it's ah it's up and down. Like it's hard to it's hard to get super clear on this. Stretching can be used for performance reasons but I'll put it this way if you're only doing traditional stretching and you're not doing a form of stretching or combining your stretching with other things that build motor control
00:24:02.11 Taylor Kruse you're gonna find yourself in either a place where you're not getting results or your risk for injury could potentially go up because you're trying to improve range of motion without filling in the motor control in the process.
00:24:19.48 Taylor Kruse So basically what that means is if you think about this any range of motion that you can access with momentum but you lack the motor control to be there increases your risk for injury.
00:24:36.53 Taylor Kruse that's why coordination work is the most important thing to include with stretching. And a lot of the different types of stretching actually combine it.
00:24:48.50 Taylor Kruse um So it's Again we're talking more traditionally relax into a posture or a range of motion.
00:24:53.89 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:24:55.54 Taylor Kruse We're calling that traditional stretching. If you're only doing that the performance improvements there are not nearly what they could be and and it is possible your wrist could go up for injury.
00:25:07.61 Taylor Kruse So it didn't really sound like I had a lot of great things to say about stretching did it? um it It just again it it depends on the style and here delicioussious let's just say it this way.
00:25:22.20 Taylor Kruse I do not traditionally stretch. And if if I thought there was value in it I would. Because I spent time messing with that for a while.
00:25:33.56 Taylor Kruse I also spent time as an athletic coach for a while and spent time statically stretching my own body as an athlete. And nobody was improving.
00:25:46.84 Taylor Kruse It just wasn't happening because it wasn't the right combinations of stuff.
00:25:50.83 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:25:51.27 Taylor Kruse It's never one thing right? It's what are you something that's gonna help you improve. It's never just the the stretching that's gonna provide any kind of result. So keep it in mind we have to combine things. It's not to say you can't traditionally stretch if you like that feeling but you have to be careful not to abuse it not to chase neural tension and can you complement it with other things like strength training through a full range of motion joint mobilizations that teach motor control through full ranges of motions or awkward ranges of motion.
00:26:27.24 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:26:37.21 Taylor Kruse That's the key if you want stretching to to give you something.
00:26:42.84 Tony Fowler Yeah that that's that's really good stuff. um I do think there's a trend in like the mobility space I'll call it towards more active stretching and like using ah muscle control in stretch and not just the
00:26:50.90 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:26:57.43 Taylor Kruse For sure.
00:26:59.96 Tony Fowler the The older like ah passive stretching kind of the layman stretching model.
00:27:04.48 Taylor Kruse Mm-hmm.
00:27:04.76 Tony Fowler um And then I was thinking about yoga too. And I was like yeah there they're definitely doing motor control and like holding these poses that require um a lot of muscular control right?
00:27:17.75 Tony Fowler In order to get into these positions.
00:27:18.23 Taylor Kruse Yes.
00:27:20.92 Tony Fowler it's It's not a stretching class if you will. And if you really think about it.
00:27:24.54 Taylor Kruse Yeah it's well so it depends. It depends on the instructor and the style and like things are so like all over the place these days.
00:27:28.06 Tony Fowler Sure sure.
00:27:31.73 Tony Fowler That's fair.
00:27:32.28 Taylor Kruse Yeah it's it's hard to yeah it's hard to say a lot of you know the trend that we've seen in the last 10 years is yoga instructors that used to be more traditionally teaching just stretching.
00:27:47.05 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:27:47.57 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:27:48.35 Taylor Kruse have all become like more like movement specialist space. And there's sort of now they're overlapping into other arenas and learning more about motor control and strength. And that's quite useful.
00:27:59.21 Taylor Kruse And so we're seeing sort of a blend which is how it should be right? If you're going to be a coach like don't be over-devoted to one thing. Like don't do that right? That's how we all start. I did that.
00:28:12.57 Taylor Kruse But eventually you get to a point where you're like oh Bruce Lee was right. You know ah I forget how he said It's a famous quote but it's like something about absorb.
00:28:22.04 Tony Fowler I think I got you. i think
00:28:23.53 Taylor Kruse Yeah so you got it?
00:28:25.37 Tony Fowler think I got you. It's like um take what is useful ah discard what is not and make make it your own or something like that.
00:28:31.69 Taylor Kruse Discard what is not.
00:28:35.26 Taylor Kruse Yes yes something like that.
00:28:35.94 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:28:36.74 Taylor Kruse It's like oh Bruce thank you. Bruce Lee was right right? Don't be over devoted to one thing. right There's so much out there and it's it's never one thing. right Just putting putting things together creating what you like. and I see that. you know That is a trend in in movement now which is great. If you're a coach and an instructor you're going to put your own style on things and that's good.
00:29:05.91 Tony Fowler okay yeah Yeah I think um so the only thing I'm going to embellish on here I guess is that insular part of the the stretch that you described.
00:29:21.24 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:29:22.14 Tony Fowler And I was thinking in terms of proprioception as well.
00:29:24.83 Taylor Kruse Yep.
00:29:26.36 Tony Fowler But just getting someone who's never moved around very much and having them try to touch their toes or sit down on the ground. and and and reach their for their ankle and maybe get in a position that they haven't.
00:29:39.12 Tony Fowler like It might not be the stretching actually but it might just be moving your body around and in different positions that might be helpful to someone right?
00:29:46.84 Taylor Kruse Good call.
00:29:48.97 Tony Fowler and And you can probably achieve that through other more targeted means right? But
00:29:54.52 Taylor Kruse Yeah it's a good call. I mean when especially when you're thinking about like getting someone moving kind of a novice someone who hasn't had a lot of exposure.
00:30:03.75 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm. Hmm.
00:30:04.25 Taylor Kruse I mean here's the thing. Stretch sensation you you need to be exposed to it. to train it right? it is It is a sensory stimulus that and and this is gets a little bit nerdier you know again going towards what we know about the insula and people who need insular work.
00:30:26.14 Taylor Kruse A lot of times people who are lacking body awareness um and I don't just mean someone who's untrained and has kind of some coordination issues. I mean some people lack body awareness to the point where you know I've had people tell me in health histories before where they they feel like their their body is not their own right?
00:30:46.73 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:30:47.75 Taylor Kruse It's more extreme than just having like a coordination issue. And things that produce the stretch feeling the stretch sensation can actually help them with their proprioceptive maps and developing those maps.
00:31:07.06 Taylor Kruse So there is some value there when we think about filling in and clarifying people's maps. you know I think about how I was exposed to like gymnastics and martial arts at an early stage.
00:31:24.46 Taylor Kruse And there's a lot of exposure to end range of motion in those activities. And so I mapped those early on right and I feel like that's beneficial.
00:31:38.62 Taylor Kruse right So so looking at looking at it kind of through the neural lens if you have no exposure to end range of motion and the feeling of even static stretching what well that is a deficiency too.
00:31:52.11 Taylor Kruse It's just that most of the time we can get that pretty naturally in most forms of movement.
00:31:56.97 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:31:59.33 Taylor Kruse I rarely as a coach have to go after that super specifically. And I have had to do it with certain body areas for people that need insular work. And this again this is going into the weeds. This is not something I need to do commonly.
00:32:17.94 Taylor Kruse But I have had clients that especially in their trunk and spine area We had to purposely create length in the body to get them to feel stretch sensation.
00:32:32.79 Taylor Kruse And then we would also combine the opposite which is what you just lengthened we now want to shorten and you want to learn how to contract it too. But again filling in the maps right?
00:32:43.84 Taylor Kruse it's ah It's a part of the map.
00:32:47.51 Tony Fowler And through that like if you're doing the contraction you are actively doing that.
00:32:51.83 Taylor Kruse Yes exactly.
00:32:52.69 Tony Fowler It's yeah.
00:32:53.75 Taylor Kruse Exactly.
00:32:56.82 Tony Fowler Very nice. Very nice. I know it's not your favorite topic so I appreciate it.
00:33:00.09 Taylor Kruse No no actually I like educating about stretching. Yeah i like I like it.
00:33:03.28 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:33:04.25 Taylor Kruse I feel like it's valuable for people to learn because stretching will never go away. And it and its it' just what I mean by that is the general population will will always look to stretching as the only means of mobility.
00:33:17.05 Taylor Kruse And so it's actually an important thing to to discuss.
00:33:23.32 Tony Fowler Awesome. awesome
00:33:25.89 Tony Fowler All this one is from Rachel and this is from the dojo.
00:33:30.12 Taylor Kruse Okay.
00:33:32.06 Tony Fowler On the surface it seems our systems are incredibly sensitive. If moving our head or eyes in a certain direction or seeing the horizon line going one direction versus another can send our bodies into protection mode.
00:33:50.04 Tony Fowler Is it just by strategically exposing ourselves to these variances that we increase our tolerance?
00:33:59.35 Taylor Kruse Okay so we'll start by saying moving your eyes in a certain direction or your head or whatever it is should not cause problems.
00:34:11.86 Taylor Kruse This is important for people to hear because a lot of people that find neuro are have a sensitive nervous system. It shouldn't make you worse. Moving your eyes to the right or the left or moving your head up and down should not make you worse.
00:34:26.94 Taylor Kruse But for some people it does. And there is a level of sensitivity to especially more isolated movements with the head and the eyes. We see that quite a bit. In our courses we talk a lot about the bottoms up client versus the top down client.
00:34:43.13 Taylor Kruse The top down client can tolerate a lot of activation closer to their brain like through the visual system through the vestibular system. And the bottoms up client can't right? They're just in a place for whatever reason. Maybe has to do with their health history.
00:35:02.55 Taylor Kruse Maybe it has to do with poor metabolic health or autonomic dysregulation of some kind. Their nervous system is more on edge. There's more threat associated with it. The threat bucket let's say is spilling over.
00:35:17.78 Taylor Kruse And then you go and you try to do isolated things like vision exercises or vestibular exercises and you get the opposite response that you want. This is the bottoms up client. What you're learning is that starting with activations from the neck up is not the right idea for them.
00:35:35.45 Taylor Kruse We have to start from let's say the feet and work our way up. So we start focusing on proprioception or maybe even more integrated styles of exercise more gross movement instead of isolated movement.
00:35:48.02 Taylor Kruse Sometimes this is the solution for finding entry points for somebody that is that bottoms up client. So the first point to make is that these little things that we like to do and test vision exercises vestibular exercises they shouldn't make you worse.
00:36:07.54 Taylor Kruse But for some people they do. And if they are making you worse that's a big sign that you do need to do more of the right things and figure out what the problem is.
00:36:19.83 Taylor Kruse And yes when you can do that Eventually building your tolerance is key but you have to find the right entry points and you have to have the right foundation to do that higher order stuff on right? If you're not getting enough sleep or you you eat you know you have a diet that doesn't work for you and you have chronic inflammation it's gonna be hard to get that stuff to stick so that you can even find a place where now you can build your tolerance.
00:36:52.09 Taylor Kruse You know that's that's the thing. it's It's not as easy as just I know I can't do this. i These visual saccades moving my eyes back and forth make me worse.
00:37:05.00 Taylor Kruse It's not as easy as well do visual saccades every single day and I'll build a tolerance. Some people can sometimes get a result generally doing it like that but most of the time if there's a lot of threat associated with it it doesn't really work out well.
00:37:21.19 Taylor Kruse You've got to have the the other foundations there. And you might have to find an entry point that is further away and then kind of gradually work your way closer to dealing with some of these higher order systems. And usually when you get to that point you've done enough what we call threat reduction work which is you've done enough of the stuff to kind of make your nervous system happier about the experience.
00:37:46.14 Taylor Kruse And some of that higher order stuff kind of gets sorted out on its own.
00:37:49.60 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:37:49.82 Taylor Kruse and what you're experiencing is that it's just less threat. right The more threat the nervous system perceives the more chaotic everything is. You start seeing problems that technically don't even exist.
00:38:02.92 Taylor Kruse That's why it's so hard as the coach. It's chaos right because everything is dysregulated. So if you only go after the chaos and you only look at that you're getting kind of a false read on what the primary issues actually are.
00:38:19.32 Taylor Kruse Because everything's trying to adjust and balance out and you get distracted by oh these must be this must be vision problems or this must be inner ear problems when in reality those systems are responding to the chaos.
00:38:35.93 Taylor Kruse and And so enough threat reduction over time. We talk about that process being anywhere from one month to... one year sometimes more depending on the individual you do enough threat reduction type work and then eventually you get to a point where it's like oh I'm taming the chaos. Some of those previous things that looked like vision issues or looked like vestibular issues have kind of quieted down right? And and that's kind of neat to see right? Because everything really does interact right with one another.
00:39:12.92 Tony Fowler Yeah yeah I think this this like if it's if someone's so sensitive to tracking their eyes in one direction that's because there's a problem right?
00:39:24.63 Taylor Kruse Yes.
00:39:25.08 Tony Fowler and and And someone that has ah fairly healthy nervous system right that it wouldn't it they wouldn't find that threatening.
00:39:25.62 Taylor Kruse Good point.
00:39:34.97 Taylor Kruse Right. So once in a while I will work with somebody who's really healthy.
00:39:40.12 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:39:40.28 Taylor Kruse Like from my perspective there's so much I still don't know but from my perspective their threat bucket is not spilling over.
00:39:42.24 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:39:49.21 Taylor Kruse The average person I work with their threat bucket has been annihilated.
00:39:53.26 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:39:54.10 Taylor Kruse Just bring in the next bucket because this one has cracks in it. It's just annihilated. Once in a while I work with someone. They got a clean health history. They're like I sprained my ankle twice when I was 12. I'm like no surgeries. No this that. The other thing they look pretty healthy. They move pretty well.
00:40:16.44 Taylor Kruse And you start doing some of these drills with them. And maybe I do vestibular drills or vision drills or whatever. And they're like they're like okay that was that was easy. And it's like very boring.
00:40:27.93 Tony Fowler Great.
00:40:28.86 Taylor Kruse And it's like okay yeah that looks good. This looks good. And they're like not they're not impressed at all. It's like who's this guy just having me do these easy eye movements?
00:40:40.21 Taylor Kruse And on my end I'm like well this is good.
00:40:43.96 Tony Fowler right
00:40:44.25 Taylor Kruse i I could probably say to this person let's just train. Like hey grab this kettlebell let's let's get this you know a party started instead of like the person that I normally see where it's like okay moving your eyes once to the left gave you a headache.
00:41:01.86 Tony Fowler Yeah.
00:41:03.06 Taylor Kruse awesome. Let's let's like can we really ignore that? um Okay. Smooth pursuit you know in this direction made you feel nauseous. And you know this simple VOR drill caused you to lose your balance. And you know that's kind of what I'm experiencing a lot. And it's like okay well there's some there's some stuff we got to figure out here because these these basic things right? These systems aren't They're not working optimally and we need them to.
00:41:34.10 Taylor Kruse So yeah it's it's actually useful for people to know that yeah you shouldn't be getting a bunch of threat responses from drills. And if you are that in itself is a big clue that there needs to be some very specific work done.
00:41:55.38 Tony Fowler Yeah. And then just to tie this back to the the stretching conversation earlier um you know you were talking about how stretching can sometimes be a nerve tensioner.
00:42:06.01 Taylor Kruse Yep.
00:42:06.52 Tony Fowler And so someone's already got a high threat bucket and
00:42:10.14 Taylor Kruse Yes.
00:42:12.38 Tony Fowler and you know especially around that area and then they're just tensioning it more.
00:42:18.22 Taylor Kruse Yep.
00:42:18.48 Tony Fowler It's driving ThredUP even more how that could be counterproductive. It's like well no we got we gotta to get it to a place where it's feeling cozy and safe.
00:42:22.20 Taylor Kruse It is. and
00:42:26.58 Tony Fowler And then maybe we can introduce that that resilience training to to build it back up.
00:42:29.48 Taylor Kruse That's right. That's right little by little as you yeah as you build tolerance for sure. And that's the thing with stretching is that most people are that are using stretching as a a way to feel better a lot of them are chasing neural tension.
00:42:42.49 Taylor Kruse Yeah because the thing that makes this all very difficult no matter what we're talking about as a modality or a tool or whatever is that when something's wrong with the human body your brain and nervous system's response every single time is protective.
00:43:00.41 Taylor Kruse Every single time because that's what your brain is wired for protection not performance. So when there's something going on generally we feel that or we perceive that as tension.
00:43:17.37 Taylor Kruse And tension can be expressed for a number of different problems. It's not just a muscle problem. you know it's It's not just a nerve problem. Tension can be expressed for almost everything you can come up with because tension is a state that the nervous system and brain is creating to protect you.
00:43:40.79 Taylor Kruse So the problem with this and and this is why so many people get seduced into chasing tension with all the tools that we have available. stretching foam rolling massage anything you can come up with right?
00:43:57.14 Taylor Kruse Is that they perceive it as tension and in our own body Remember even me this is why remember in the last Q&A I'm telling the story of Alicia needling my piriformis because i got just like everyone I got seduced into the feelings the internal feelings I'm having are telling me that something is mechanically wrong right? And I feel that as tension.
00:44:29.72 Taylor Kruse So now I have to Find these tools to try to seek and destroy the tension. And it doesn't always work because you're removing protective stiffness that could be helping you actually functionally which is interesting but it also could just be a distraction because it's the body's protective output.
00:44:54.04 Taylor Kruse So we just have to ask bigger questions. Why is the body creating this protective output?
00:45:01.43 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:45:01.75 Taylor Kruse And we can learn why through you know testing.
00:45:06.20 Tony Fowler Yeah. Why is it giving this person a headache? Why are they getting nauseous or losing their balance? Why do they feel a pain response or tightness?
00:45:14.39 Taylor Kruse Yes and I have to ask myself all the time as a coach when I'm doing all this stuff with people I don't say this out loud loud but in my mind I'm going am I being seduced or tricked into following this person's symptoms?
00:45:28.73 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:45:29.78 Taylor Kruse I have to ask myself that constantly. And sometimes I get tricked. Sometimes I do it on purpose because sometimes I need to do something for a symptom to help the person feel better.
00:45:45.59 Taylor Kruse And I don't really care if we did anything for a primary issue. because feeling better is part of the process. We talked about feeling better being a catalyst for more and and being able to do something for someone's symptoms is still valuable. I laugh all the time because people you know people on Instagram who don't know me don't know anything about what I'm doing or teaching they don't even follow the page but they see the posts and they're like
00:46:10.39 Taylor Kruse They see that hundreds of people in the comments are saying this is incredible my shoulder pain's better whatever it is. And you get people who are like that's so stupid. That's only gonna give you temporary relief.
00:46:24.28 Taylor Kruse Okay. What's wrong with that? The person that just got temporary relief didn't seem to get temporary relief the last 15 years when they tried ab B C D E F G it goes on.
00:46:38.30 Taylor Kruse So all of a sudden I come around with a seemingly simple vision exercise and it brings their shoulder pain from a seven to a one or often a seven to a zero.
00:46:50.04 Taylor Kruse Why would you point the finger at that?
00:46:52.67 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:46:52.95 Taylor Kruse That's a catalyst for something that's now going to we're going to essentially teach the brain what is possible. And that's that's what's really key. We always say yeah the goal is one pain-free repetition. It doesn't matter if you it doesn't matter how you get there.
00:47:14.30 Taylor Kruse with whatever tool or drill but one pain-free repetition is so important because as soon as you experience a pain-free repetition you now have an opportunity to teach the brain that two is possible two repetitions right? You can convince it and then three and four and that's how the process kind of goes on.
00:47:34.74 Taylor Kruse Yeah so... Yeah it's got to ask that question. Am I getting tricked here? Am I getting am I am i sort of getting seduced into following a bunch of systems or of symptoms coming from maybe a variety of symptoms um or sorry symptoms coming from a variety of systems?
00:47:56.38 Taylor Kruse And I take a step back and sort of evaluate that quite a bit.
00:48:02.01 Tony Fowler Yeah you've you've told stories before where you you were playing whack-a-mole with systems and then you zoom out and you're like oh it's a fuel issue.
00:48:11.29 Taylor Kruse Exactly.
00:48:11.44 Tony Fowler Like oh this is actually a clue.
00:48:12.40 Taylor Kruse Yep.
00:48:13.82 Tony Fowler This is a sign that this is a fuel issue and that we need to figure that out whether it's breathing or diet or hydration or sleep or whatever that is right?
00:48:16.50 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:48:23.26 Taylor Kruse Yeah yeah. And I really I like to bring that up as much as possible because and any anybody out there who's done their fair share of continued education this is typically how the continued education experience goes. You find a cool method right? Let's say it's for you know feel you know pain feeling better performance whatever.
00:48:45.56 Taylor Kruse And you start learning this method And you start applying it and you get some results but then you realize my results aren't sticking. So you kind of you lurk kind of in the background and you're seeing what's happening to other people teaching or learning this thing. And you're hearing what the instructors have to say and time goes by and you're still experiencing that. Why did this not work as good for me as it works during the day of the seminar?
00:49:13.11 Taylor Kruse and And then you get to a point where you ask and they say no that's because you haven't done level two certification.
00:49:21.22 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:49:21.35 Taylor Kruse you're missing You're missing all the level two stuff so you couldn't possibly get Great results yet. You only level one certified. So you pay for level two. You go through the whole thing. You think you get pretty good at it. You understand the theory. Yeah you get some results with some people but then the results don't stick with this other group of people. And you lurk and you ask. And then hey you need level three right? And this is how the process goes. You don't have level three yet. And then finally hey you're you're not in the master's program.
00:49:48.76 Taylor Kruse right you don't have the You don't have the master's you know certification yet. And this is how it goes. and And that's why in our first course Foundations we have an entire section on fuel.
00:50:03.90 Taylor Kruse Because no matter what you're teaching no not it never never are you going to find everybody gets better from it. And most of the people who actually need help out there that are trying lots of different things seeing different practitioners they have some kind of fuel problem.
00:50:20.82 Taylor Kruse Their metabolic health is preventing them from getting results that stick. So we reverse the whole thing and we teach it from day one because we know that that's gonna be very important learning you know a learning thing for for our students.
00:50:37.24 Tony Fowler Yeah it's such a confounding variable. It's like how can you build a found build upon a foundation that's unstable right?
00:50:45.27 Taylor Kruse Exactly.
00:50:45.37 Tony Fowler All
00:50:46.54 Taylor Kruse That's what it is.
00:50:49.21 Tony Fowler right this one is from Rachel also. ah She had many many good questions for us.
00:50:57.62 Tony Fowler Do you need or should you be assessing drills every time you do them to see if they are still giving a positive feedback? If so how do you keep your sessions from being overtaken by assessing especially if in the daily assessment the feedback seems not very substantial?
00:51:17.11 Tony Fowler So then it opens up all of the stacking options.
00:51:21.05 Taylor Kruse So this is all goal dependent. So in a general training environment I'm not really assessing everything. If I'm coaching somebody and taking them through general training I am observing their performance and using my observation skills to tell me whether or not they are in what we call the sweet spot or not.
00:51:46.20 Taylor Kruse And maybe I have someone occasionally check in with some ranges of motion. to make sure that they're not getting tighter as they train.
00:51:55.85 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:51:56.12 Taylor Kruse Cause that typically tells you that just cumulatively like you're kind of leaving the sweet spot and there might be a diminishing return. And I do that myself. So um this was especially has been especially important for me the last year or more actually where I just need to like check in with ranges of motion and stuff and make sure I'm not getting to a point where my workout is causing me to build tension. Because if I do that there's always a diminishing return for me based on the extra stress that I've been under for the last few years.
00:52:30.58 Taylor Kruse And so that's one way to look at it. And so that is not fanatical reassessment. All right. and But if your goal is pain related you have to use fanatical reassessment.
00:52:45.05 Taylor Kruse You have to or you don't know what's helping and what's not. and And that's why people get themselves into situations where they don't know what's helping and what's not and they just go and they start doing stuff and they're like all right this isn't working.
00:52:59.90 Taylor Kruse I literally test test every single input when the goal is decrease pain. You have to. You have to know what's doing what.
00:53:12.25 Taylor Kruse And sometimes it is quite sensitive. I told the story in the last podcast working with one of our students we started this new thing in the membership where we do like these mini sessions on them and we them the same process.
00:53:26.65 Taylor Kruse And basically the end result for our mini session for one of our students was a seemingly simple drill where she walked through through her living room back and forth so this was a gait assessment but it became the drill while saying every other day of the week in her head.
00:53:49.50 Taylor Kruse And then I had her combining that with left index finger figure eights.
00:53:57.59 Taylor Kruse Okay. Index finger figure eights with multitasking during gait. And her neck range of motion improved 20 degrees on both sides. And she she said reported that she had much less tension through her thoracic spine than she had had in a while.
00:54:15.16 Taylor Kruse Now That's weird if you've never seen neuro before okay? Think about all the things she could have done and if she wasn't testing the responses she wouldn't know that that result was right there.
00:54:34.62 Taylor Kruse It was right there with a little a couple of little simple things. And the reason we chose those things is because we we knew we did some neuro testing to find out what her cerebellar patterns were. excuse me And we learned some stuff about her cortex.
00:54:51.80 Taylor Kruse And so we created some really simple things for her. And sure enough that started moving the needle. So if the goal is pain or tension or you're trying to improve um a movement that doesn't feel good you have to test every input because you wanna know what else happened in that session.
00:55:08.63 Taylor Kruse I had her do saccades so jumping her eyes back and forth. She already told me she was a little sensitive with vision drills. So I didn't want to challenge her too much and risk really regressing her. So I had her do visual saccades with her eyes closed imagining targets.
00:55:30.58 Taylor Kruse And in one of the directions she got worse. So that result that we got initially from her neck range of motion went away with the threatening eye movement.
00:55:43.48 Taylor Kruse Now that's problematic and I have to think about that in the throughout the training process because if if moving your eyes to the left um let's say is problematic in causing you a regression well we need to get an improvement in that at some point because how many times you need to move your eyes to the left in your life?
00:56:04.23 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
00:56:04.73 Taylor Kruse A lot. And if that's gonna jack up your threat levels and lead to more pain issues that's problematic. wait For where we are in that process right with a single session we need to do some high payoff things which is why we put that drill together. It's more of a less intense a little bit more of a bottoms up approach at that point.
00:56:26.78 Taylor Kruse But that it's something you know it's it's interesting to consider like that level of sensitivity can really throw things off. So if you're not testing every input
00:56:39.34 Taylor Kruse It's gonna be hard. That's why we're so good at working with pain. Seriously I don't have that specialized of tools. Like you can learn all this stuff.
00:56:49.72 Taylor Kruse Like go on YouTube every single thing that I'm teaching you can find on YouTube. The reason the thing that sets us apart from what other practitioners are doing that are not working like this with applied neuro is we test everything.
00:57:04.58 Taylor Kruse That is literally the cornerstone of our entire philosophy. So we actually know exactly what every single input is doing. and And the power of that is incredible.
00:57:16.92 Taylor Kruse right the power of how you can sort of put things together and make a stimulus stronger or learn that someone has a problem moving their eyes in one direction and then figure out a strategy to deal with that over time possibly even avoid it in drills during like more threat reduction based work.
00:57:35.79 Taylor Kruse It's super powerful. So yeah it's um this going back to the question it's all goal dependent.
00:57:47.13 Taylor Kruse And you will open up a can of worms with lots of testing and lots of options when you're doing pretty deep neuro work. That's just how it goes.
00:57:57.91 Taylor Kruse But that that's freeing eventually if you're learning this work because then you learn oh I've got unlimited tools. Like I didn't feel that way early on in my career.
00:58:10.04 Taylor Kruse i felt limited with my tools. because I was but then as you learn more about neuro and you start to look at each tool through a brain-based lens it's freeing.
00:58:24.89 Taylor Kruse Like I know i can find something to help an issue eventually. right because there's so many options but that can be overwhelming it at first.
00:58:35.16 Taylor Kruse So this is goal-dependent. General training no I do not fanatically test. If I'm coaching someone I fanatically observe. But if if the goal is to help someone get out of pain I fanatically test because I need to know their their reassessment.
00:58:52.05 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:58:54.30 Tony Fowler So for for like a session where you're thinking about pain as the primary goal you might just be doing a battery of assessments trying different things seeing what sticks taking notes.
00:58:58.94 Taylor Kruse Yeah.
00:59:06.84 Tony Fowler um You might do that. I don't know how long that usually that that phase usually lasts. But at some point I imagine you might have found this is the stack. These are my high payoff drills.
00:59:20.57 Taylor Kruse Right.
00:59:21.11 Tony Fowler And then when you start transitioning to like just training you're incorporating those but you're not necessarily assessing every single thing you're doing once you're out of that like ah diagnostic period.
00:59:35.22 Taylor Kruse you know what happens?
00:59:35.54 Tony Fowler Does that does that sound right?
00:59:37.30 Taylor Kruse Yeah you know what happens? And i almost I almost hate this right? So you you put in all this work when you're working with somebody to figure out all these high payoff drills and you get to a point where you've got it pretty dialed and and you know what's helping them and they know what's helping them and they're practicing and everything's moving in the right direction.
00:59:57.85 Taylor Kruse and and you feel like this is cool like I know something like I know something about this person and I figured out what what helps them and you're moving them through again where this is the threat reduction phase their pain is decreasing they're beginning to move better and then all of a sudden they don't need anything that you created Nothing.
01:00:23.10 Taylor Kruse And and you and you you take a step back and you're like i we did all this for this long. And it was so precise. like It had to be this input that input.
01:00:33.56 Taylor Kruse we kind of We had to avoid this other thing. Couldn't do that or that would interfere. And you move them through and they're consistently practicing. And then all of a sudden one day it's like it's like all that work doesn't matter anymore. and Now it mattered because it got them there.
01:00:49.27 Taylor Kruse but everything you thought you knew doesn't matter anymore because they don't need it. It's like all of a sudden they're healthy enough where they don't need stacking they don't need this nerdy neuro stuff when combining these inputs and all this stuff that you kind of almost put on a pedestal in the process.
01:01:14.71 Taylor Kruse And then one day it's obsolete. At least it feels that way. and And I've had a lot of that that you know now as a coach I've learned to get to it's a victory when you get to that point. And then all of a sudden your client goes from the person who was you know quite sensitive to certain drills to now it's more general training and you can kind of throw at them whatever you want and they don't really regress.
01:01:41.50 Taylor Kruse I mean that's that's the goal right? And I've had that experience in my own body a lot where like like one example is early on when I was learning all of the joint mobility drills.
01:01:52.73 Taylor Kruse For geez I want to say like six years basically no joint mobility drill was ever bad for me. Like if I could I just focused and focused on them because they felt good.
01:02:06.98 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm.
01:02:07.58 Taylor Kruse I felt tension reducing. My performance was improving. I felt like chronic tension going away. And I put a lot of time into being able to do those drills precisely. Like really all the some of them are quite challenging moving your neck in certain ways and you know everything your jaw.
01:02:26.36 Taylor Kruse And I felt dependent on those drills for a while to feel good. And then one day mean I say one day this wasn't one day but it feels like one day especially when I'm thinking about it.
01:02:38.74 Tony Fowler Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:02:43.43 Taylor Kruse It's like all of a sudden I didn't need to feel dependent on that stuff anymore. And rather than doing it every day which was common for me I was checking in with that stuff twice a week.
01:02:54.97 Taylor Kruse And now This is much fast forward now but gosh it's been like 15 years since I started that stuff. I only do the drills when I feel I need them.
01:03:09.05 Taylor Kruse But every time I go back to doing it I still have the coordination. which is cool. So I built those maps and they exist. And I check in with them generally as part of my warmups when I'm exercising and stuff. But I'm not like oh this left knee circle is life-changing because that's what it felt like when I first learned it.
01:03:28.66 Taylor Kruse But I'm just kind of like all right that circle's good. I'm still smooth. Range of motion's good. Like next drill. And I'm just checking in right? Because it's healthy and it's good for your joints. But it's funny how that can work.
01:03:40.92 Taylor Kruse And that that same thing happens with clients all the time. It's like you're doing all this fanatical deep neuro work and then boom don't need that anymore which is typically a good sign.
01:03:53.78 Tony Fowler Yeah. Yeah. Like go forth go go practice the sport you want to do go.
01:03:56.60 Taylor Kruse Exactly. i yeah exactly i
01:03:58.73 Tony Fowler train go
01:04:00.06 Taylor Kruse I tell our students all the time neuro was never the goal. We never wanted to regress it to this. Ever. Like it's it's not the goal but we need to call on those tools to get us through pain issues you know help you know helping with chronic health problems whatever the case might be even very specific performance deficits.
01:04:27.72 Taylor Kruse Neuro was never the goal but it's a strong tool set that helps us get through those things. And then eventually your your goal is that you don't need it anymore.
01:04:38.80 Tony Fowler Well
01:04:43.86 Tony Fowler that's awesome. um Another amazing group of questions. So thank you. Keep your eyes peeled for wherever wherever Taylor and Alicia post those question ah requests.
01:04:51.29 Taylor Kruse Yeah thank you everybody.
01:05:01.85 Tony Fowler And yeah yeah that's what we've got for today.
01:05:05.02 Taylor Kruse Cool. And there's plenty more that we can carry over I think right?
01:05:08.08 Tony Fowler That's right. That's right.
01:05:08.76 Taylor Kruse Nice.
01:05:09.00 Tony Fowler We've still got a lot to go through. So we'll be we'll be doing this again.
01:05:14.84 Taylor Kruse Awesome. Thank you everybody for the questions. And sorry Alicia couldn't be here today. I know that you know we had mentioned in our community that Alicia was going to be here with me. And we'll we'll make that happen in the near future hopefully because I think that would be...
01:05:31.74 Taylor Kruse kind of a nice a nice thing to get in the schedule more consistently but it all depends on our daughter's school schedule and all of that.
01:05:40.70 Tony Fowler Sure.
01:05:40.98 Taylor Kruse she yeah she This was the last week of her kind of summer school slash camp. So there may be a gap but you will see Alicia again. um While I'm thinking about it those of you who well if you're listening to this Q&A episode to me what that means is you like this podcast a lot.
01:06:02.07 Taylor Kruse People who have not experienced the podcast yet or they have not kind of it really leaned into our content they're probably not going to listen to us talk about these questions for an hour. So thank you guys for being here and and for being strong supporters of the podcast. And if you haven't done so already it would really mean a lot to us if you gave ah the podcast a review.
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